Let me be the first to comment that it is great to see a politician willing to throw both PC and caution to the winds and speak his/her mind.
This is the type of person with this type of conviction that I want representing my interests at the federal level!
I am ashamed she represents me. Lou Ann, it states "freedom of religion" not "freedom to Jews and Chistians". And how many innocent Muslims are being killed in this war?
I will be deeply embarrassed if she is elected to congress.
I'm ashamed of her as well. Why is it that the ones who say they love America the most are the very ones who refuse to truly understand and accept America's freedoms?
What is so hard to understand about freedom to practice the religion of your choice? We don't have to agree with the message to agree that all American citizens have a right to worship as they choose.
Any politician who advocates violating the United States Constitution is BAD for America.
She's got my vote. She feels the way a majority of us feel.
The irony is that because of the respectful nature of the Christian religion, these two religions (Christian and Moslem/Muslim) can peacefully coexist in our culture and society. However, the reverse cannot be said - when Islam is the majority, Christians are in danger.
So, blues, you're saying that the majority of people are against freedom of religion in America?
You're a moron.
So, attagirl, when in a pluralistic, secular society someone disagrees with you, then they are a moron? Consider expanding your vocabulary and respecting other people's opinions.
Freedom of religion in this country is NOT an "opinion." It's one of the basic tenets of our constitution. And it means that we are ALL free to worship as we see fit without government interference.
A politician speaking out against freedom of religion and rallying against it is a disgrace, and anyone like blues2 who bases their vote on her anti-constitutional position is a MORON.
If you remember Japanese Americans were placed in internment camps just for the fear of what these people have already done. Our constitution requires the gov't to "provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare,". You also have to realize that mohammed just picked a god among many, he choose the "moon god of arabia". As far as religious freedom goes thats fine until you are killing people in the name of your religion, thats when it conflicts with my rights!
Unless I missed the big news story, not a single Muslim in Rutherford County has tried to kill you or anybody else.
The constitution does NOT say that we are all free to worship as we see fit. There is a thing called the free exercise clause of the 1st amendment.The supreme said: "Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious beliefs and opinions, they may with practices."
Until I see an outcry from the so called good Muslims over the atrocities created by the bad ones, I have a hard time believing that Islam is a religion of peace.
I am always shocked and amazed when politicians show their ignorance of our Constitution and blatantly express their opposition to the core principals of America. The narrow minded xenophobia that she so rabidly supports could easily lead to discrimination against any religion, even hers.
Obviously, her tongue gets in the way of her logic. With any luck, our votes will get in the way of her bigotry.
If and when she is elected then the muslim apologists will realize they are in the minority (if they even vote) and maybe will all move to their liberal sanctuary's of CA or NY.
I guarentee more people don't trust islam than do... for good reason.
I don't trust Islam either, but that doesn't mean I believe they shouldn't be able to build their mosque. Our constitution guarantees them the right to worship as they please, same as you and me.
Ponycar, what you quoted means that the government can interfere with the religious practice violates a law, but that's not what's going on here. These people are not asking for permission to kill all the infidels, they are asking for permission to build their mosque. Our constitution guarantees them that right, period.
Do I think Murfreesboro Muslims are terrorists? No. Do I still oppose a mosque this size? Yes.
Reason? The short answer would be that large mosques have proven time and time again to be sanctuary, co-oridination spots, gathering places, and safe havens for Muslim terrorists to meet and plan evil activities. A mosque this size opens a very scary gate to our community.
Unless the founders have a sure fire plan to prevent this that they are willing to give to the community, I will continue to oppose this mosque for that reason alone.
for Farmall--you wrote that Mohammed picked a moon god as his god.
it is amazing how ignorant Jesus followers have become. what he said on the cross which is incorrectly translated as "father, why you have forsaken me." the word that is translated as "father" was actually an Armaic word which is almost same as the arabic word Mohammed picked for his God.
this kind of ignorance was what he anticipated when he told the people gathered around him: YOu call me lord, lord, but you do not do what i tell you to do. same is true of the so-called christians in Murfreesboro--they have created a idol in their own image--white, blond, blue-eyed and red neck and mistaken it for Jesus.
let us also remember that it is the American and Israeli axis that is occupaying Muslim lands. the two have killed and injured almost 1000 times the number of people who died on 9/11.
They attacked this country because they were being occupied by american-israeli axis.
just because american got away after stealing american indians land and got away by making slaves of the african, does not mean they can steal others natural resources.
All you have to do is look it up, allah is the moon god of arabia, simple fact. The arabs have that vast area and all Isral has is that tiny sliver of land and the arabs / Muslims won't be happy until they have pushed them all into the sea. And sorry to disapoint you I am not nor have I ever been a christian. (which also means I am not a Jesus follower,)
Nikter, you need to provide some sources for your assertion that, "large mosques have proven time and time again to be sanctuary, co-oridination spots, gathering places, and safe havens for Muslim terrorists to meet and plan evil activities."
Show me where this has happened in America.
There is a state called New York, has had a few of these meetings, and a few results of those meetings. A good friend of mine was in tower 2, the nose cone of the second jet went through her office window. Her cell phone was ringing at the time, I was on the other end calling out of concern for her safety. Such a peaceful religion.
Farmall, I'm sorry you lost a friend. My brother was there on 9/11 as well and I remember the fear. But that attack wasn't planned in a mosque in small town USA. It was planned by Osama bin Laden in whatever hole he's been hiding in.
Btw, the hijackers were all Saudis. What did Bush do? He gave all his Saudi friends a military escort safely out of the USA on 9/11.
So which is it, Saudis, arabs, or muslims. They are still screaming allahu akbar when they kill innocents.
Actaully, they were NOT all Saudis. Mohammed Atta was an Egyptian,Ziad Jarrah was from Lebanon, Marwin Al-Shehhi was from the UAE, And Ramzi Binalshibh was from Yemen. Those were the 4 ringleaders of the 19 9-11 hijackers.Atta was a huge part of the planning phase right here in the USA.
Attagirl, YOU are the one who said that the constitution guarantees the freedom of religion as we see fit. That is false. Do I think that the Muslims wanting to build a Mosque here in the US is a violation of our laws ? Of course not. Radical Muslims HAVE used their places of worship safe havens right here in the United States, and in the UK. It's foolish to think the same thing can't happen right here in Murfreesboro.
Freedom of Religion will be used to destroy America, we had better wake up before it is too late.
MurFREEsboro or Mosqueboro?
Ponycar, what's foolish is for you to believe that these people are in any way "radical muslims." What radical muslims have done is not relevant.
How in the world can you say that the statement that "the constitution guarantees the freedom of religion as we see fit" is false? What's false about it? Our government is prohibited from infringing on someone's rights because they disagree with the message.
If your problem is that the mosque is too big, then where were you when World Outreach came to town?
Why do people assume all Muslims are radical? That's like assuming all Christians are Catholic. Lou Ann's statments are just another example of the GOP trying to capitalize on fear and ignorance. And to use a great MLK quote while speaking out on civil rights of American Muslims is unbelievable!
So attagirl, why all the name calling. We all know you must be a loser. Get your drawers out of a wad, alright!
"All the name calling?" Really, blues? Go back and re-read. The only one I called a name was Zelenik, who was asking for it. All of my posts contain relevant questions and points.
atta-thang, you, are an idiot.....what muslims do isn't relevant?, damn, that's good weed you blowin there girl....pass it around.....
It would be unconstitutional to deny them the right to build their mosque based on what other muslims have done.
The following is an exerpt from Political Islam.com, a non-profit educational site aimed at educating the public about the religious and political aspects of Islam. Religious tolerance is a founding principle in America and is protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution. Unfortunately in America today we have been presented with a false dichotomy of freedoms vs. preservation of life. It is in fact possible to honor both with the same respect. We need not make an exclusive choice to honor one or the other. We have a duty to ourselves and our country to approach this issue with caution and due dilligence. The process must begin with educating ourselves to the truth based in fact and not emotion. This is the only way to have a truly beneficial and productive debate about a topic that resonates throughout this country and touches nearly every American regardless of race, creed, color, origin, or religion.
This excerpt deals specifically with the financial burden that we currently find ourselves bound to as a result of both Islamic terrorism (not Islam as a whole) and our very own government's inept handling of our own fragile economy.
"Another part of the Islam tax is the jizyah (the dhimmi tax) that we [American taxpayers] call foreign aide. We pay various Islamic governments, including Egypt, Pakistan, the so-called Palestinians and others. Why do we pay the jizyah? We want to be friends (Never mind the 12 verses in the Koran that say that Muslims are never the friends of kafirs, unbelievers).
We are bringing Muslim refugees into America where they receive more benefits than American citizens, another Islam tax.
Why did Islam attack the World Trade Towers? Because they were the World TRADE Towers, an economic target. What was the purpose? To destroy the economy of America.
The Islam tax is a trillion dollars and counting. If we did not have this tax, it would certainly ease the economic crunch we have today.
This economic squeeze is 1400 years old. Mohammed created jihad, civilizational war. His concept of war was very sophisticated and included all forms of force against kafirs. He used threats, spies, secret agents, slavery, sex, propaganda, assassinations, deception, religious attacks, and the destruction of kafir economies.
As soon as Mohammed started his jihad, he warred against the economy of the kafirs. He kept up a running attack on the trade caravans of Mecca. When he attacked one tribe of Jews in Medina, he destroyed their economic base—their date palm plantations. This act was against the Arab customs of war, but Allah said it was a good thing. When he attacked Taif, he destroyed their plantations as well. Economic war.
One of his last acts was to attack the Christians north of Medina. Once he had crushed them, he made them pay the jizyah tax (the dhimmi tax). He did the same to the Jews of Khaybar. The jizyah tax was 50% of their income.
All Islam has to do is to keep up the attack. It does not matter whether they win or lose a particular battle. The more Islam practices jihad, the more we deny it and create some governmental nightmare that avoids the ideological war with Islam, but costs a fortune. Our self-deception is bankrupting us.
Islam produces poverty. Without oil, the income to all of the Arabic nations is less than that of Spain. This is not an accident. Mohammed was a businessman, but after he became a prophet, all of the money he made came from the loot from his victims, not a great business model. Mohammed knew how to bleed his enemies dry. We are bleeding today as a result of the Islamic war against the kafirs."...
Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
Atta girl, You cannot practice religion as you see fit. If your practices break the law the government may interfere. The cannot interefere with ones beliefs or opinions.
You don't believe that radical Muslims plan violence right here in the USA ? Read about Anwar -al-Awlaki. He's the Imam and lecturer who sermons were attended by 3 of the 9-11 hijackers.They were also attended by the Fort Hood shooter.It is also proven that he has inspired Islamic terrorist.Awlaki was US born, and US educated and a dual citizen of the US, and Yemen.
Just in the past year, The Fort Hood maacare, No outcry from the Muslim connunity,The Christmas bomber who tried to blow up a plane bound for Detroit, No outcry from the Muslim community, The recent failed Time square bombing. No outcry from the Muslim connunity. Islam is NOT a religion of peace.
to Lou Ann Zelenik...
I'll be voting for you when early voting opens up.
Ponycar, muslims have been in Rutherford County for a long time now. When's the last time one of them attacked us? There is no basis to deny them the right to expand their mosque. They have perpetrated no violence and they have broken no laws.
I would like to hear Attagirl's response to the extremely well informed post of right2defend.
Also, Do you not think a mosque the size of the one about to be built will attract muslims outside the murfreesboro community? Perhaps Muslims like the Ft. Hood shooter and the christmas bomber?
Attagirl, Maybe you should go back and read your own post's.Here is some of your very own words:"All the name calling?" Really, blues? Go back and re-read. The only one I called a name was Zelenik, who was asking for it. All of my posts contain relevant questions and points.Here are some more of your words from a previous post:So, blues, you're saying that the majority of people are against freedom of religion in America?
You're a moron.I think you have a hard time remembering what you post.Calling someone a Moron sure sounds like name calling to me.If Muslims have used their places of worship anywhere in the US to perpetrate violence, what makes you think they won't do it right here in Murfreesboro?You even said yourself that you don't trust Islam.One thing is for sure. They will play on the sympathy of people like you.BTW, I don't know where I was when World outreach came to town. Probably still in the military fighting the war on terrorism.
Yeah we have absolutly nothing to worry bout when it comes to muslim terrorists here at home...
Three cheers for a politician who has the courage to toss political correctness out the window and puiblically speak out against radical Islam.
She has earned my vote!
"not part of a religious movement; it is a political movement designed to fracture the moral and political foundation of Middle Tennessee." Can't make it much more clear than that ! Makes one feel good that not "all" politicians (and wannabees) are morons!
Go Lou Ann !
Thank you Lou Ann, you are the person I can trust to look out for my interest. God Bless you!
THANK YOU LOU ANN -- For standing up for Americans. Demographics show No Muslims even live in Murfreesboro, TN. Keep strong Lou Anne!
Good will prevail over evil!!
I agree with mdaultry. Good will prevail over evil.
To attagirl, in the past when the "radical" muslims have attacked America, I do believe it was all planned over time and the planning didn't just happen over night. Although we may not be aware of any plans right now, but I would hate for history to repeat itself right here in Murfreesboro.
THEY ARE HERE IN MILLIONS NOW, AND IN OUR WHITE HOUSE.
This is a shortened informative lesson on Islam, Mohammed and the Qur’an, NO EXAGGERATIONS – just facts.
It is a false premise to assume, or believe, that Islam has a peaceful side to it at all. Some Muslims want peaceful lives; they want just what all people want. However, the militant fanatics are, in fact, the only ones who are being truly obedient to Mohammed's orders. The most violent of those fanatics are Wahabbi Muslims; those in and from Saudi. They are the ones who fill the ranks of al Qaeda; they are the ones we should be forbidding entry to this nation, but instead our president bows to the Saudi king and we buy our oil there instead of Alaska, Canada or other allies, thus funding the very terrorists who are building and staffing mosques in this United States right now -- and they have been doing so for a considerable length of time. We are funding our enemy and this mosque is most likely being built and staffed by Wahabbi Islam.
It's in the Qur'an, which is confusing because it is arranged according to the length of the suras (verses) rather than the time in which each was written. For this reason, the early, peaceful, suras are scattered throughout the Qur'an. However, Jews are referred to as pigs and sons of monkeys, the later suras forbid friendship between Muslims and Jews or Christians.
Mohammed's final hadith, (command) , was to conquer the entire world for Islam, after which Mohammed promises, there will be peace.
The fanatics are trying to do that now, as they creep across the rest of Europe and the Saudis continue building and staffing mosques in this country.
These fanatics believe that this is the time for Islam to conquer the whole world, after which any Jew or Christian who refuses to convert to Islam will be killed. Atheists will be killed out of hand, and other religions will be torn apart -- I really don't know what will happen to Buddhists, etc.
What we all need to realize is simply that Islam means to take over the world. We see Hamas reintroducing medieval means of punishment, including crucifixion, in Gaza and it will spread throughout Palestinian areas of Israel. When they conquer the world, shari'a law will be instituted worldwide; this is precisely what they plan.
We have the promise of Jesus that the gates of hell will not prevail; I believe Islam represents the gates of hell.
I find myself very disturbed by all of the arguments (and lack thereof).
First, let us be clear on the First Amendment. The First Amendment prevents the United States from declaring a "State" religion. The Anglican Church was the official church of Great Britain, and the revolutionaries did not want such an entity in the United States. It is that simple.
Second, I find any assertion that any religious system is a paragon of evil and a threat to be interesting. As a historian, which I actually am be degree and training, I believe many cultures would lob the same accusations at Christianity that are now being directed at Islam. Both religions have, in their history, converted by hook and crook or by the sword. The Spanish Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials were not carried out by Muslims. I find the sibling rivalry between Christianity, Islam, and Judaism to be just that, a sibling rivalry.
I find it ironic that Islamic zealots are called extremists, and we call their clerics calling for violence nutcases. However, the Christian leaders in the US calling for violence against Muslims, gays, etc. are hailed as great religious leaders. The same arguments being used against Muslims today are the same arguments used during the Cold War against communists.
The polarized opinions in this column demonstrate people are not willing to discuss. Fear and prejudice is governing thought and action. I find any extreme to be disturbing, and the United States has always been a slightly left of center nation. We have had to be to maintain our rights.
Even if any Islamic organizations decried the actions of Muslims in the Middle East, would anyone believe them? Why should they decry them? Do Christians have to decry the actions of their members who form militias or who kill abortion doctors or any other action?
And seriously, regardless of who started it, can we not act like children in a public forum. I do not care how ignorant we consider someone's opinions, please have more maturity than to call someone a moron or idiot.
Nikter, you miss the point entirely. This should not be about the tenets of the islamic faith. It's about our constitution. No other religion is required to run their beliefs by the planning commission in order to build their church. The size argument doesn't hold water either, because of World Outreach.
We don't have to agree with their beliefs in order to agree that they have a right to build their mosque. Rutherford County has had a large muslim population for a long time now. I don't recall any terrorist attacks here.
Unless you can show me some evidence that the muslims who will be using the facility are criminals, then as an american who believes in our constitution, I have no choice but to support their right to build.
I thought the fear mongering went out with Bush and Cheney. I'm disappointed to see how successful they were in brainwashing the average joe.
Most of you have no clue how the constitution or bill of rights works. Do some studying and seriously apply the law to this same set of facts, and you also will have no choice but to support their right to build.
Attagirl, you are out of line to assume things about people you don't know anything about. Have you read the Constitution in it's entirety front to back? I have. I reread it just recently. My father teaches constitutional law.
The first ammendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof" That is the one and only thing that the constitution states about religion...only I haven't seen a single person on here say they want congress to pass any law.
We are stating that we do not want this built as a community, we are not seeking any law to be made, we are simply protesting the mosque be built. Not only does this not violate the constitution whatsoever, it is actually a right given to us by that same ammendment, freedom of speech.
The constitution gives us all the right to assemble, protest, and do everything we can within the law to stop a mosque from being built if we so desire as a community, which we do!
Furthermore you seem to show the same blind ignorance towards terrorism as the type that led to the extermination of life on 9/11 and afterwards. People with your arguement would have fault tooth and nail for the release of those terrorists if they had been caught, because you had no idea their capture saved almost 3,000 lives.
Please check yourself before you hypocrytically and baselessly attack, accuse, and deride people on this board.
I'm also waiting on your reply to Right2defend's extremely informed post. Or perhaps you don't want to reply to it because you don't have an argument anymore?
Oh yeah thats a religion of peace alright.
On the eve of the 4th of July I find it hard to support a group of people building a cultural center in our town who use our laws of free speech and the right to worship when it suits them. Does this community condemn those who call for the murder of cartoonists that draw pictures of Mohamed?
I have two questions that need to be answered; Are the muslims who proposed the buiding of the muslim mosque "legal citizens" and where did the money come from that is paying for the mosque?
I fully support and totally agree with LouAnn's statement. Don't be complacent and allow yourself to be fooled by what is being built and the purpose of the builing in your backyard in the name of "tolerance."