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By: attagirl on 10/25/09
The juveniles out at 4:00 a.m.?? What a tragedy.
The juveniles out at 4:00 a.m.?? What a tragedy.
By: attagirl on 10/25/09
What did I say bad? Since there is a midnight curfew for juveniles in this town, it's a legitimate question. I wasn't being sarcastic when I said "what a tragedy." I really meant that it's a tragedy. And I wasn't implying that they deserved to die or be hurt. You're reading that into it.
What did I say bad? Since there is a midnight curfew for juveniles in this town, it's a legitimate question. I wasn't being sarcastic when I said "what a tragedy." I really meant that it's a tragedy. And I wasn't implying that they deserved to die or be hurt. You're reading that into it.
By: BlueRaiderMom on 10/25/09
Hmm, I didn't read anything bad into what attagirl had to say. Yes, it is a tragedy that a young person lost their life, but one must also question why they were out at 4 am. Yes, I realize they may have had a legitimate reason, but one still wonders.
Hmm, I didn't read anything bad into what attagirl had to say. Yes, it is a tragedy that a young person lost their life, but one must also question why they were out at 4 am. Yes, I realize they may have had a legitimate reason, but one still wonders.
By: hamrtyme on 10/25/09
I agree with attagirl & blueraidermom, I read no scarcasm, it's always a tragedy when a child loses his/her life at anytime of the day or night. I should know, my son was killed 11 1/2 yrs. ago at a few minutes after midnight. All of the families & children are in my prayers.
I agree with attagirl & blueraidermom, I read no scarcasm, it's always a tragedy when a child loses his/her life at anytime of the day or night. I should know, my son was killed 11 1/2 yrs. ago at a few minutes after midnight. All of the families & children are in my prayers.
By: attagirl on 10/25/09
I'm sorry for your loss, hamrtyme. No parent can read this article or your post and not put themselves into your shoes.
I'm sorry for your loss, hamrtyme. No parent can read this article or your post and not put themselves into your shoes.
By: arlbigdaddy on 10/25/09
We have waaaay too many traffic fatalities in Rutherford county, especially with teens. One's too many. What is the problem? I wonder how we compare nationwide per capita. I hate it when this happens. I have a 16 year old and I worry every time my child goes out. Parents, get nosy in your children's lives. Tell them to be careful everytime they go out. Know where they are at all times. No fingerpointing here; just concern for the high fatality rate we seem to have with our youth.
We have waaaay too many traffic fatalities in Rutherford county, especially with teens. One's too many. What is the problem? I wonder how we compare nationwide per capita. I hate it when this happens. I have a 16 year old and I worry every time my child goes out. Parents, get nosy in your children's lives. Tell them to be careful everytime they go out. Know where they are at all times. No fingerpointing here; just concern for the high fatality rate we seem to have with our youth.
By: BlueRaiderMom on 10/26/09
I have a 15 year old and a 16 year old. I am just now allowing them to "practice" driving with either me or my husband in the car with them. I think some parents are in such a big hurry for their children to grow up. Sometimes we allow them too much freedom, and expect them to be completely responsible. They are KIDS! We have got to stop pushing them to grow up in such a rush. Let them be kids. Parents are just so stressed and frustrated these days - yes, there is much going on - but we can't force these children to become little adults by the time they are 15, etc.
Having said all that, I will say that sometimes accidents do happen. That's why they are called "accidents." We never know when our time will come. Bad things happen, and you can't prevent every accident from occurring.
But in Rutherford County's case, they really need to take a long, hard look to see if there is anything that can be done to make some of these kids safer. I think the graduated license is a start, but I'm all for making these kids wait until they are 18 before they start driving. (Yes, I'm going to make many readers under the age of 18 very angry.) Yes, allow them to have permits so they can learn, but make it so they have to have a parent or adult over the age of 21 in the vehicle with them while they're driving.
I have a 15 year old and a 16 year old. I am just now allowing them to "practice" driving with either me or my husband in the car with them. I think some parents are in such a big hurry for their children to grow up. Sometimes we allow them too much freedom, and expect them to be completely responsible. They are KIDS! We have got to stop pushing them to grow up in such a rush. Let them be kids. Parents are just so stressed and frustrated these days - yes, there is much going on - but we can't force these children to become little adults by the time they are 15, etc.
Having said all that, I will say that sometimes accidents do happen. That's why they are called "accidents." We never know when our time will come. Bad things happen, and you can't prevent every accident from occurring.
But in Rutherford County's case, they really need to take a long, hard look to see if there is anything that can be done to make some of these kids safer. I think the graduated license is a start, but I'm all for making these kids wait until they are 18 before they start driving. (Yes, I'm going to make many readers under the age of 18 very angry.) Yes, allow them to have permits so they can learn, but make it so they have to have a parent or adult over the age of 21 in the vehicle with them while they're driving.
By: arlbigdaddy on 10/26/09
BlueRaiderMom, I agree that some parents are in a hurry for their children to grow up. There is certainly more opportunity for children to have their own car and be driving a lot. It's hard to prove that this is causal but certainly contributory.
Can law enforcement do any more? How often do police pull over young drivers after curfew (age 16-11:00 PM, age 17-12:00 PM) and send them home if they're not home.
I don't think a 17 year old is much more responsible than a 16 year old to warrant giving a later curfew.
BlueRaiderMom, I agree that some parents are in a hurry for their children to grow up. There is certainly more opportunity for children to have their own car and be driving a lot. It's hard to prove that this is causal but certainly contributory.
Can law enforcement do any more? How often do police pull over young drivers after curfew (age 16-11:00 PM, age 17-12:00 PM) and send them home if they're not home.
I don't think a 17 year old is much more responsible than a 16 year old to warrant giving a later curfew.
By: daca on 10/26/09
Ok, first off the JUVENILE that died was over 18 and one of my friends.
and to what arlbigdaddy said: The problem with kids today is they are given so many responsibilities yet are told that they are to young to do anything. There for when they finally turn 18 and can get out they do anything and everything they want. It amazing how my parents generation were treated like adults but now ALMOST every single parent wants to coddle and keep their precocious babies from harm, when in fact their hindering them from what the real world is like.
I'm am sorry if this is a rant, but getting on here and seeing all this CONJECTURE about people you don't even know a day after my friend is dead, it just kind of makes me want to scream.
Ok, first off the JUVENILE that died was over 18 and one of my friends.
and to what arlbigdaddy said: The problem with kids today is they are given so many responsibilities yet are told that they are to young to do anything. There for when they finally turn 18 and can get out they do anything and everything they want. It amazing how my parents generation were treated like adults but now ALMOST every single parent wants to coddle and keep their precocious babies from harm, when in fact their hindering them from what the real world is like.
I'm am sorry if this is a rant, but getting on here and seeing all this CONJECTURE about people you don't even know a day after my friend is dead, it just kind of makes me want to scream.
By: lduke on 10/26/09
I think when it is obvious that a driver is out past curfew they are stopped, however, most 16-17 yr olds don't look much different than 21 year olds. In a college town, you'd be pulling over ALOT of cars.
I think when it is obvious that a driver is out past curfew they are stopped, however, most 16-17 yr olds don't look much different than 21 year olds. In a college town, you'd be pulling over ALOT of cars.
By: attagirl on 10/26/09
daca, please don't get angry at us for referring to your friend as a juvenile. That's how it was reported.
daca, please don't get angry at us for referring to your friend as a juvenile. That's how it was reported.
By: driveguy on 10/26/09
daca,
I am sorry for your loss understand your anger but, I do have a problem with you saying that kids today have so much more responsiblity. Kids today have no more responsibilties than kids of any other generation. They just have more distractions that tend to take up more of their time. This is not conjecture, we have lost way too many youth here in murfreesboro and hearing a report of a 20 year old travelling in excess of 60 on a residential, dead end street at 4:00am is enough to make us coddle our children. When you have some of your own, you will understand.
daca,
I am sorry for your loss understand your anger but, I do have a problem with you saying that kids today have so much more responsiblity. Kids today have no more responsibilties than kids of any other generation. They just have more distractions that tend to take up more of their time. This is not conjecture, we have lost way too many youth here in murfreesboro and hearing a report of a 20 year old travelling in excess of 60 on a residential, dead end street at 4:00am is enough to make us coddle our children. When you have some of your own, you will understand.
By: 123abc on 10/26/09
i knew the person who died very well. he was 20. what could his parents have done to keep this from happening? lock him a room? you have to let your kids make decisions for themselves. its a tradgedy that he had to go this way but theres nothing his parents could have done. just please dont judge cuz you didnt know him or his parents.
i knew the person who died very well. he was 20. what could his parents have done to keep this from happening? lock him a room? you have to let your kids make decisions for themselves. its a tradgedy that he had to go this way but theres nothing his parents could have done. just please dont judge cuz you didnt know him or his parents.
By: driveguy on 10/27/09
No one is judging the people just the circumstance. You can't keep things from happening but, as a parent, we have lost another bright youth to a tragedy and that saddens us. We can debate parenting skills all day and it will not keep this kind of thing from happening in our community. We must unfortunatley, use this tragedy as a learning experience and gleen what knowledge we can from it. I pray for this family and the families of the injured youth's. Their struggles are just beginning, they have lost a friend, son and family member. Revisiting laws and other debates as to driving privliges are the only way to help avoid these tragedies. Indeed they will still happen but, without the right steps to avoid them, we can only debate after the fact and that my freinds is also a tragedy.
No one is judging the people just the circumstance. You can't keep things from happening but, as a parent, we have lost another bright youth to a tragedy and that saddens us. We can debate parenting skills all day and it will not keep this kind of thing from happening in our community. We must unfortunatley, use this tragedy as a learning experience and gleen what knowledge we can from it. I pray for this family and the families of the injured youth's. Their struggles are just beginning, they have lost a friend, son and family member. Revisiting laws and other debates as to driving privliges are the only way to help avoid these tragedies. Indeed they will still happen but, without the right steps to avoid them, we can only debate after the fact and that my freinds is also a tragedy.
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