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By: pigintn on 7/8/08
This article and the story I saw on channel 4 news covering this issue disgust me! A number of officers worked 12 hour days and ate up tons of overtime to minimize a problem that the city can easily solve.
What's it going to take, city leaders? Learn a lesson from past events in Murfreesboro, Springfield, and recently in Columbia (where an officer's uniform caught on fire and he suffered serious burns).
It really lets the officers know how much the city thinks about them when they refuse to outlaw "launchable" fireworks because of the revenue gained. Could it be because Councilman Bratcher ownes several firework stands???
I would have thought the other council members would have come out like Councilman Edwards did. Silly me! Mr Edwards even said he "challenged" our city leaders to join him. Hmmm, guess he won that challenge.
You see, it's things like this, police officer pay, the inconsistent handing down of punishment, etc., etc., etc.
Not being a whiner here, I just would like the city to appreciate and protect it's officers. Instead, it appears they'll wait until an officer loses an eye or something worse before they take action. Typical!
This article and the story I saw on channel 4 news covering this issue disgust me! A number of officers worked 12 hour days and ate up tons of overtime to minimize a problem that the city can easily solve.
What's it going to take, city leaders? Learn a lesson from past events in Murfreesboro, Springfield, and recently in Columbia (where an officer's uniform caught on fire and he suffered serious burns).
It really lets the officers know how much the city thinks about them when they refuse to outlaw "launchable" fireworks because of the revenue gained. Could it be because Councilman Bratcher ownes several firework stands???
I would have thought the other council members would have come out like Councilman Edwards did. Silly me! Mr Edwards even said he "challenged" our city leaders to join him. Hmmm, guess he won that challenge.
You see, it's things like this, police officer pay, the inconsistent handing down of punishment, etc., etc., etc.
Not being a whiner here, I just would like the city to appreciate and protect it's officers. Instead, it appears they'll wait until an officer loses an eye or something worse before they take action. Typical!
By: Farmall on 7/9/08
I noticed that the officers were not riding around in the good neighborhoods looking for this kind of behavior. So all of Murfreesboro will be punished for the actions of a select few in the more poorer neighborhoods. Sure sounds like your proposing discrinination to me.
I noticed that the officers were not riding around in the good neighborhoods looking for this kind of behavior. So all of Murfreesboro will be punished for the actions of a select few in the more poorer neighborhoods. Sure sounds like your proposing discrinination to me.
By: Boo on 7/9/08
Farmall- Not to be critical but I don't understand why you would want our officers to waste their time going into the "good neighborhoods" if the problem is not there, or why you feel it's discrimination to go into the "poorer" neighborhoods" if that is where the problem is? PIGINTIN- You are so right on!!
Farmall- Not to be critical but I don't understand why you would want our officers to waste their time going into the "good neighborhoods" if the problem is not there, or why you feel it's discrimination to go into the "poorer" neighborhoods" if that is where the problem is? PIGINTIN- You are so right on!!
By: justdance on 7/9/08
I wish I could find some of these idiots who are ruining our 4th of July fun and wring their scrawny, little necks!!! How stupid can you be?!!
I wish I could find some of these idiots who are ruining our 4th of July fun and wring their scrawny, little necks!!! How stupid can you be?!!
By: Macgyver on 7/9/08
It's sad people don't have anything better to do than to look for trouble. Next it'll be straws and paper!
It's sad people don't have anything better to do than to look for trouble. Next it'll be straws and paper!
By: lupusman on 7/9/08
One action the city and/or county could take if legal would be to impose an additional tax (like they do on motels/hotels, etc) that would into a fund to pay the costs of overtime during the fireworks seasons. And yes - people ignite fireworks during other occasions that the 4th i.e. New Years, etc. With all the "free to the public" fireworks available, I can't understand the need to people to ignite them in their neighborhoods. But if it's true that certain officials own and operate and profit from the sale of fireworks, a ban on their sale will be hard to pass.
One action the city and/or county could take if legal would be to impose an additional tax (like they do on motels/hotels, etc) that would into a fund to pay the costs of overtime during the fireworks seasons. And yes - people ignite fireworks during other occasions that the 4th i.e. New Years, etc. With all the "free to the public" fireworks available, I can't understand the need to people to ignite them in their neighborhoods. But if it's true that certain officials own and operate and profit from the sale of fireworks, a ban on their sale will be hard to pass.
By: Bluesman on 7/9/08
Leave the firework shows for the professionals. Maybe Councilman Bratcher can request the people who put on the show at MTSU buy from his tents. Seriously, these mortars or big fireworks sound too much like a war zone in the Middle East. There are a lot of returning service men who are probability on egg shells while this is going on. And, if there are people who really can not do without fire works, Uncle Sam has a place for you!
Leave the firework shows for the professionals. Maybe Councilman Bratcher can request the people who put on the show at MTSU buy from his tents. Seriously, these mortars or big fireworks sound too much like a war zone in the Middle East. There are a lot of returning service men who are probability on egg shells while this is going on. And, if there are people who really can not do without fire works, Uncle Sam has a place for you!
By: Geana on 7/9/08
The state can ban anything it wants whether the city agrees. If they can restrict smoking in public places, they can restrict firework sales, plain and simple. That kind of expenditure is better invested in public firework displays with volunteer firemen running the shows. As far as the businesses that already exist selling fireworks all year round, they'll have to stop. Just like the restaurants and schools had to stop allowing smoking. No grandfathering clauses. Period.
The state can ban anything it wants whether the city agrees. If they can restrict smoking in public places, they can restrict firework sales, plain and simple. That kind of expenditure is better invested in public firework displays with volunteer firemen running the shows. As far as the businesses that already exist selling fireworks all year round, they'll have to stop. Just like the restaurants and schools had to stop allowing smoking. No grandfathering clauses. Period.
By: Alaskadave on 7/9/08
Okay,
So let me get this strait. We ban certain fireworks in the 'Boro because our illustrious police force is riding around bad neighborhoods being shot at with mortars and the such. I would have thought it to be illegal to shot a potentially dangerous item at a police officer so these people are already breaking the law. What makes the idiots in our city council think that making fireworks such as mortars illegal in Murfreesboro will accomplish anything. Are we governed by fools? They (the thugs) will go get them somewhere else...Duh!!!!!
Okay,
So let me get this strait. We ban certain fireworks in the 'Boro because our illustrious police force is riding around bad neighborhoods being shot at with mortars and the such. I would have thought it to be illegal to shot a potentially dangerous item at a police officer so these people are already breaking the law. What makes the idiots in our city council think that making fireworks such as mortars illegal in Murfreesboro will accomplish anything. Are we governed by fools? They (the thugs) will go get them somewhere else...Duh!!!!!
By: lightchick on 7/9/08
How much overtime do we pay our police force on Memorial Day or New Year's Eve? Can we really say the cost of overtime was due solely because of fireworks? I think they probably spent some time dealing with drunks, as well.
How much overtime do we pay our police force on Memorial Day or New Year's Eve? Can we really say the cost of overtime was due solely because of fireworks? I think they probably spent some time dealing with drunks, as well.
By: Alaskadave on 7/9/08
Lightchick is right. Maybe we should have that many officers constantly on patrol in these neighborhoods to prevent the shootings stabbings and drug dealing that is going on. Not that the number of police officers that are currently patrolling our streets cannot do that, they simply focus their efforts on writing fines and tickets along Old Fort Parkway and Church Street. Where all the criminals hang out!
Lightchick is right. Maybe we should have that many officers constantly on patrol in these neighborhoods to prevent the shootings stabbings and drug dealing that is going on. Not that the number of police officers that are currently patrolling our streets cannot do that, they simply focus their efforts on writing fines and tickets along Old Fort Parkway and Church Street. Where all the criminals hang out!
By: jam66 on 7/9/08
Make Fireworks illegal....That will triple the overtime for the Murfreesboro Police. Not only will you create a black market for fireworks in town, every call to police dispatch for fireworks will have to be responded to because fireworks after all, will be illegal. Where is the comprimise? Maybe make mortar rounds illegal in city limits. As far as the assaults on police officers, is that not a felony? whether the bad guys use a rock, stick, knife, firearm, or Mortar round to attack an officer, Those are criminals that need to be prosecuted. I do not think a ban on fireworks addresses those type of offenders, but will create a overwelming burden on Murfreesboro's finest taking their time and energy away from more serious public safety issues during the July 4th and New years Eve holidays.
Make Fireworks illegal....That will triple the overtime for the Murfreesboro Police. Not only will you create a black market for fireworks in town, every call to police dispatch for fireworks will have to be responded to because fireworks after all, will be illegal. Where is the comprimise? Maybe make mortar rounds illegal in city limits. As far as the assaults on police officers, is that not a felony? whether the bad guys use a rock, stick, knife, firearm, or Mortar round to attack an officer, Those are criminals that need to be prosecuted. I do not think a ban on fireworks addresses those type of offenders, but will create a overwelming burden on Murfreesboro's finest taking their time and energy away from more serious public safety issues during the July 4th and New years Eve holidays.
By: lupusman on 7/9/08
Jam66 - as I recall fireworks ARE illegal in Nashville/Davidson county. Wonder if their overtime tripled after they enacted that law? I doubt it! Besides the safety issue, I for one do not enjoy hearing fireworks go off in my neighborhood at 11PM or later! And calling the police would be fruitless the people would be gone or back in thier homes by the time the police arrived. Why don't we look at other similar size cities and counties who have banned the sale and ignition of fireworks to see if the ban was beneficial.
Jam66 - as I recall fireworks ARE illegal in Nashville/Davidson county. Wonder if their overtime tripled after they enacted that law? I doubt it! Besides the safety issue, I for one do not enjoy hearing fireworks go off in my neighborhood at 11PM or later! And calling the police would be fruitless the people would be gone or back in thier homes by the time the police arrived. Why don't we look at other similar size cities and counties who have banned the sale and ignition of fireworks to see if the ban was beneficial.
By: lupusman on 7/9/08
Jam66 - as I recall fireworks ARE illegal in Nashville/Davidson county. Wonder if their overtime tripled after they enacted that law? I doubt it! Besides the safety issue, I for one do not enjoy hearing fireworks go off in my neighborhood at 11PM or later! And calling the police would be fruitless the people would be gone or back in thier homes by the time the police arrived. Why don't we look at other similar size cities and counties who have banned the sale and ignition of fireworks to see if the ban was beneficial.
Jam66 - as I recall fireworks ARE illegal in Nashville/Davidson county. Wonder if their overtime tripled after they enacted that law? I doubt it! Besides the safety issue, I for one do not enjoy hearing fireworks go off in my neighborhood at 11PM or later! And calling the police would be fruitless the people would be gone or back in thier homes by the time the police arrived. Why don't we look at other similar size cities and counties who have banned the sale and ignition of fireworks to see if the ban was beneficial.
By: Alaskadave on 7/9/08
Lupusman, It is kind of like Washington DC or Chicago banning firearms inside the city limits. It has no real impact on violent crime, criminals still get guns and still kill others. Just as jam66 states. The real problem is not the fireworks themselves but the thugs who improperly use them. Address the problem. Arrest and prosecute those who partake in firing mortar rounds at the Police. 99% of us do not sit around firing off rounds at Police Officers so why should our ability to enjoy fireworks in our driveway on the 4th or New Years be infringed upon by a handful of idiots. Again address the issue. This is like arresting the pistol for the murder.
Lupusman, It is kind of like Washington DC or Chicago banning firearms inside the city limits. It has no real impact on violent crime, criminals still get guns and still kill others. Just as jam66 states. The real problem is not the fireworks themselves but the thugs who improperly use them. Address the problem. Arrest and prosecute those who partake in firing mortar rounds at the Police. 99% of us do not sit around firing off rounds at Police Officers so why should our ability to enjoy fireworks in our driveway on the 4th or New Years be infringed upon by a handful of idiots. Again address the issue. This is like arresting the pistol for the murder.
By: sechappell on 7/10/08
Why are they arresting these people who are clearly attempting assault on police officers?
Why are they arresting these people who are clearly attempting assault on police officers?
By: AmeliaB on 7/10/08
The use of the term "mortar rounds" is misleading. While some fireworks are made in a "mortar" style, "mortar rounds", as they are generally known, are weapons used by the MILITARY. So, there's no need to be, shall we say, inflammatory here.
The punks who deliberately aimed the fireworks at the police officers should absolutely be prosecuted. It should be noted, however, that they probably were not innocent babes who were led astray by the evils of gunpowder, but were actually people who would have found trouble with or without fireworks. The commonsense, law-abiding people on my street use fireworks in a responsible manner. I certainly hope our city council does not plan to attempt to restrict my personal liberties because other people have misused theirs. How ironic it is, that the very holiday on which we celebrate our nation's birth and our freedom, has become a point of contention for those who wish to restrict freedoms, however small those freedoms may seem! On another note, it is regrettable that Councilman Edwards suffered injuries due to fireworks. However, riding down the street at night...on July 4th...when fireworks were obviously in use...with the windows down...was probably not the best thing to do.
The use of the term "mortar rounds" is misleading. While some fireworks are made in a "mortar" style, "mortar rounds", as they are generally known, are weapons used by the MILITARY. So, there's no need to be, shall we say, inflammatory here.
The punks who deliberately aimed the fireworks at the police officers should absolutely be prosecuted. It should be noted, however, that they probably were not innocent babes who were led astray by the evils of gunpowder, but were actually people who would have found trouble with or without fireworks. The commonsense, law-abiding people on my street use fireworks in a responsible manner. I certainly hope our city council does not plan to attempt to restrict my personal liberties because other people have misused theirs. How ironic it is, that the very holiday on which we celebrate our nation's birth and our freedom, has become a point of contention for those who wish to restrict freedoms, however small those freedoms may seem! On another note, it is regrettable that Councilman Edwards suffered injuries due to fireworks. However, riding down the street at night...on July 4th...when fireworks were obviously in use...with the windows down...was probably not the best thing to do.
By: spanky on 7/13/08
WOW - discrinination. That's a new one. Only been used about 500,000 times. I think fireworks should be banned from Tn. They are NOT safe to use and mishaps occur even when pro's are using them.
As for being used in the poor neighborhoods, even idiots in rich neighborhoods fire them off. And burn down houses and blow off hands and shoot at the cop's.
If we bann them from Tn; people won't have enough gas to go out of state to buy them.
Problem solved...
WOW - discrinination. That's a new one. Only been used about 500,000 times. I think fireworks should be banned from Tn. They are NOT safe to use and mishaps occur even when pro's are using them.
As for being used in the poor neighborhoods, even idiots in rich neighborhoods fire them off. And burn down houses and blow off hands and shoot at the cop's.
If we bann them from Tn; people won't have enough gas to go out of state to buy them.
Problem solved...
By: citizenkane on 7/15/08
spanky-what planet are you from? 300 million Americans, at least 100 million used some form of fireworks during the 4th and how many hands were blown off, houses burned down etc...Why should the responsible citizens always be punished or retricted from activities because of one firework related incident. We need to remember our history, such as prohibition, ban an item and you are only creating more problems.
Our city govt cannot fix all the problems in this city with "bans". However,Ignorance is bliss and acceptable in the county and city govt.
spanky-what planet are you from? 300 million Americans, at least 100 million used some form of fireworks during the 4th and how many hands were blown off, houses burned down etc...Why should the responsible citizens always be punished or retricted from activities because of one firework related incident. We need to remember our history, such as prohibition, ban an item and you are only creating more problems.
Our city govt cannot fix all the problems in this city with "bans". However,Ignorance is bliss and acceptable in the county and city govt.
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