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By: BoltAction on 8/8/10
How long has this man been a resident? It was my understanding he is just here for this piece of crap film he's making.
How long has this man been a resident? It was my understanding he is just here for this piece of crap film he's making.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/8/10
He is being paid by Big Media for his work. Several sources say he is backed by HBO Documentaries.
He is being paid by Big Media for his work. Several sources say he is backed by HBO Documentaries.
By: guthwine on 8/8/10
Bell's intentions are his own, however many in this community people agree with him on this issue. The demonization of Islam is unfounded. Lumping them all together with the radical Islamists is the same as lumping together all Christians with Hutaree and like-minded groups. Muslims, especially American ones, do not wish to bring Sharia-law to America. People that believe that are conspiracy theorists who put out mass-misinformation to inspire fear, particularly around election time.
Bell's intentions are his own, however many in this community people agree with him on this issue. The demonization of Islam is unfounded. Lumping them all together with the radical Islamists is the same as lumping together all Christians with Hutaree and like-minded groups. Muslims, especially American ones, do not wish to bring Sharia-law to America. People that believe that are conspiracy theorists who put out mass-misinformation to inspire fear, particularly around election time.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/8/10
Islam is Islam - you can't be a Muslim without agreeing that the Quran is their law. A real Muslim cannot denounce parts of the Quran. Sorry - you just dont have you're facts right guthwine. You must do you're research to understand that they their law dictates the takeover of all infidels - which includes you. Some people don't believe in the devil - doesnt not qualify for evil to not exist. The devil believes in you even if you dont believe in him.
Islam is Islam - you can't be a Muslim without agreeing that the Quran is their law. A real Muslim cannot denounce parts of the Quran. Sorry - you just dont have you're facts right guthwine. You must do you're research to understand that they their law dictates the takeover of all infidels - which includes you. Some people don't believe in the devil - doesnt not qualify for evil to not exist. The devil believes in you even if you dont believe in him.
By: guthwine on 8/8/10
I know what the Q'uran dictates, but they have varying degrees of interpretation much like the many branches of Christianity and the Jewish faith do. A large part of the issue is that people who strictly interpret the Bible believe that all Muslims will do likewise with their holy book, and that is not the case. You're seeing the Muslim faith through eyes that see real Christians and fake Christians. That type of thinking limits people to a black and white view in a world that is majority gray area.
I know what the Q'uran dictates, but they have varying degrees of interpretation much like the many branches of Christianity and the Jewish faith do. A large part of the issue is that people who strictly interpret the Bible believe that all Muslims will do likewise with their holy book, and that is not the case. You're seeing the Muslim faith through eyes that see real Christians and fake Christians. That type of thinking limits people to a black and white view in a world that is majority gray area.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/8/10
Until you have evidence, solid evidence, that a group of Muslims are actually breaking any laws - IN REALITY NOT JUST IN YOUR HEAD - then you have no right to stop them from building a place of worship. Period.
Until you have evidence, solid evidence, that a group of Muslims are actually breaking any laws - IN REALITY NOT JUST IN YOUR HEAD - then you have no right to stop them from building a place of worship. Period.
By: redwing on 8/8/10
Islam: Women are subservient,to the fine people of Murfreeboro,please support Muslim women and do not turn a blind eye.And above all do not support the constitution of the Qur'an.
Eric,I'm sure you will tell the people of the 'Boro if it is a Sunni or Shiite mosque,right?
Islam: Women are subservient,to the fine people of Murfreeboro,please support Muslim women and do not turn a blind eye.And above all do not support the constitution of the Qur'an.
Eric,I'm sure you will tell the people of the 'Boro if it is a Sunni or Shiite mosque,right?
By: guthwine on 8/8/10
Islam in it's beginnings was the first religious grant land-ownership and other rights to women. The horror stories you hear are in the remote redneck-equivalent areas in various places in the Middle-East and beyond. It is likely that it is a Sunni mosque as that is the largest religion. There are parts of Christian doctrine that order women to do what their husband tells them without any prattling.
Islam in it's beginnings was the first religious grant land-ownership and other rights to women. The horror stories you hear are in the remote redneck-equivalent areas in various places in the Middle-East and beyond. It is likely that it is a Sunni mosque as that is the largest religion. There are parts of Christian doctrine that order women to do what their husband tells them without any prattling.
By: rickfromtheboro on 8/9/10
My question is: are these '"people" here legally? Or are they here with visa's, or are they here illegally. How is it that this question has not even been brought up. The Mexican's sure get railed on night after night on the all the cable outlets, but not a peep has been mentioned of the Muslim's immigration status, Can someone explain so that I and others may understand. Show me your papers!
My question is: are these '"people" here legally? Or are they here with visa's, or are they here illegally. How is it that this question has not even been brought up. The Mexican's sure get railed on night after night on the all the cable outlets, but not a peep has been mentioned of the Muslim's immigration status, Can someone explain so that I and others may understand. Show me your papers!
By: EricAllenBell on 8/9/10
Rick - Why are you putting the word "people" in quotes? Are you meaning to dehumanize the Muslims to whom you are referring?
Rick - Why are you putting the word "people" in quotes? Are you meaning to dehumanize the Muslims to whom you are referring?
By: redwing on 8/9/10
@EricAllenBell.please ask the Christian's in Egypt why they have been dehumanized,in fact why don't you start your film/doc in Egypt and interview Christians in that once great Christian country.
Rick has been reading the news as he had asked he was wondering if these Muslims were some how getting into the US legally,did you answer Eric,no you did not.And as Rick also asked,illegally.Good question Rick,and allow me to say that most Muslims that come into the US are legal,in fact over 98%.
But this whole blog on this site has been about the building of this Mosque in Murfreeboro,I will be bugging out with these thoughts,support Muslim women with their concerns,ask very serious questions about the Qur'an and in particular about Allah and the SO CALLED prophet Muhammad,in fact if you are concerned,do some serious reading on this so called religion of peace,you will be surprised.Denounce Shariah Law and Islam Banks.It is said that blood will be shed in the UK and Canada first because of the Islamist,will we in US be next because we allowed Shariah law,do not trust Islam,it opposes the very freedoms that we cherish,and remember under Islam their is one and only one God,the rest,F..k Y..
@EricAllenBell.please ask the Christian's in Egypt why they have been dehumanized,in fact why don't you start your film/doc in Egypt and interview Christians in that once great Christian country.
Rick has been reading the news as he had asked he was wondering if these Muslims were some how getting into the US legally,did you answer Eric,no you did not.And as Rick also asked,illegally.Good question Rick,and allow me to say that most Muslims that come into the US are legal,in fact over 98%.
But this whole blog on this site has been about the building of this Mosque in Murfreeboro,I will be bugging out with these thoughts,support Muslim women with their concerns,ask very serious questions about the Qur'an and in particular about Allah and the SO CALLED prophet Muhammad,in fact if you are concerned,do some serious reading on this so called religion of peace,you will be surprised.Denounce Shariah Law and Islam Banks.It is said that blood will be shed in the UK and Canada first because of the Islamist,will we in US be next because we allowed Shariah law,do not trust Islam,it opposes the very freedoms that we cherish,and remember under Islam their is one and only one God,the rest,F..k Y..
By: rickfromtheboro on 8/9/10
Hey Y'all for the record "People" in quotation marks retracted. Can't we all get along? Thank you. :)~
Hey Y'all for the record "People" in quotation marks retracted. Can't we all get along? Thank you. :)~
By: EricAllenBell on 8/9/10
@Rick - putting the word "people" in quotation marks shows your true feelings of hatred and superiority. Case closed.
@Rick - putting the word "people" in quotation marks shows your true feelings of hatred and superiority. Case closed.
By: caronhalt on 8/9/10
The US is a secular, representative democracy thoughtfully crafted by our founders, with its government powers defined in the Constitution and separated into three branches filled by the President, Congress and Courts. Sharia law is irreconcilably in conflict with the Constitution and our government. Islam denies much of what we accept as part of America. We cannot extend our tolerance to Islam’s intolerance. Islam and Sharia are grave dangers to the United States of America.
No one has the right to not be offended. Our freedoms allow us to share our opinions without inciting violence. We must choose liberty, equality and secularism, over the doctrine of submission, supremacism and dictatorial theocracy.
The US is a secular, representative democracy thoughtfully crafted by our founders, with its government powers defined in the Constitution and separated into three branches filled by the President, Congress and Courts. Sharia law is irreconcilably in conflict with the Constitution and our government. Islam denies much of what we accept as part of America. We cannot extend our tolerance to Islam’s intolerance. Islam and Sharia are grave dangers to the United States of America.
No one has the right to not be offended. Our freedoms allow us to share our opinions without inciting violence. We must choose liberty, equality and secularism, over the doctrine of submission, supremacism and dictatorial theocracy.
By: guthwine on 8/9/10
Our Constitution is designed to be strong enough to resist implementation of Sharia law. The fact of the matter is that said implementation will not occur, as the strict fundamentalist-radical view of Islam is in the minority of the religion generally, and particularly in the US. The fear that Muslims will force Sharia law upon us is a misplaced one.
Our Constitution is designed to be strong enough to resist implementation of Sharia law. The fact of the matter is that said implementation will not occur, as the strict fundamentalist-radical view of Islam is in the minority of the religion generally, and particularly in the US. The fear that Muslims will force Sharia law upon us is a misplaced one.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/9/10
@Guthwine - well said.
@Guthwine - well said.
By: Macgyver on 8/10/10
The picture at the top made me think of the song "Signs" by Tesla. "Long-haired freaky people need not apply" and the message the song brings.
The picture at the top made me think of the song "Signs" by Tesla. "Long-haired freaky people need not apply" and the message the song brings.
By: guthwine on 8/10/10
Firstly, Signs was written by Five Man Electrical Band and secondly, that's a bad reference. The song references God frowning upon intolerant behavior. Bad song to pick, MacGruber.
Firstly, Signs was written by Five Man Electrical Band and secondly, that's a bad reference. The song references God frowning upon intolerant behavior. Bad song to pick, MacGruber.
By: redwing on 8/10/10
@guthwine,I know I said that it was time to bug out,please inform all: Khalifa
@guthwine,I know I said that it was time to bug out,please inform all: Khalifa
By: BoltAction on 8/10/10
Goodbye all. I'm done with the Post. They have given this douchebag way too much attention. I shall go elsewhere for my local news.
Goodbye all. I'm done with the Post. They have given this douchebag way too much attention. I shall go elsewhere for my local news.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/10/10
@Bolt - I'm sure you get most of your "News" elsewhere as it is.
@Bolt - I'm sure you get most of your "News" elsewhere as it is.
By: redwing on 8/10/10
One more time
To all about the Mosque being built in the 'Boro,do correct me if I am wrong but from pictures that I saw it seems that there is room to also build a Jewish place of worship and a Christian place to also worship,like an auto mall to purchase,a place for all to worship,the only downside is that you cannot block the east/southeast of the Muslim Mosque but I could be wrong be on the east/southeast.Mecca,right?
Also,to worship in peace and LOVE.
I do have say this,NO SHARIAH LAW.
One more time
To all about the Mosque being built in the 'Boro,do correct me if I am wrong but from pictures that I saw it seems that there is room to also build a Jewish place of worship and a Christian place to also worship,like an auto mall to purchase,a place for all to worship,the only downside is that you cannot block the east/southeast of the Muslim Mosque but I could be wrong be on the east/southeast.Mecca,right?
Also,to worship in peace and LOVE.
I do have say this,NO SHARIAH LAW.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/11/10
Redwing - they just want legal permission to build a place of worship.
Redwing - they just want legal permission to build a place of worship.
By: guthwine on 8/11/10
Redwing, get over your fear of Sharia law. It isn't going to happen. They don't want it, they just want to worship. Why can't they have a larger center that is still dwarfed by the likes of the World Outreach Church. Zoning/water quality issues are a smokescreen for general xenophobia and particular Islamophobia. They just want to have decent American lives with maybe a little bit of wherever their ancestor's are from peppered in via culture or food or what-have-you.
Redwing, get over your fear of Sharia law. It isn't going to happen. They don't want it, they just want to worship. Why can't they have a larger center that is still dwarfed by the likes of the World Outreach Church. Zoning/water quality issues are a smokescreen for general xenophobia and particular Islamophobia. They just want to have decent American lives with maybe a little bit of wherever their ancestor's are from peppered in via culture or food or what-have-you.
By: Macgyver on 8/11/10
Guthwine, I’m not old enough to refer to the original artist sorry about that besides many people write songs for other artists to perform. I do remember as a kid buying one of my last cassette tapes of Tesla’s “Five Man Acoustical Jam” which had “Love Song” and “Signs”. I did a presentation on this song in my high school political science class. The writer does display his beliefs to say “To put up a fence and keep me out, or to keep Mother Nature in, If God was here, he'd tell it to your face, man, you're some kind of sinner”, meaning, even God would agree with me its wrong. The writer also offers a note for the offering, that says "Thank you Lord for thinking 'bout me, I'm alive and doing fine” because “he didn’t have a penny to spare”. Last I checked that is acceptable behavior and a person would be hard-pressed to find any different in the bible. The song is about intolerance, discrimination and wanting to be accepted.
I really don’t care if they build a mosque or not but would rather see this “problem” moved elsewhere. I have a good family friend that has been involved in the ICM for a number of years and I also had a friend survive from the 40th floor of the second tower. Should I blame one friend for another’s misfortunes? I see both sides without needing to belittle another person. Sure I no nothing about the religion and again don’t really care. What I do know is we’ve engaged in a number of wars which I support to weaken a group of people that have and do wish to inflict more damage on us and alter our “way of life” all in the name of Allah. Sounds nuts but its true.
I will tell you that my kids will not go to school to be forced to learn the Quran, how to speak Arabic or pray west 5 times a day, but that is not the issue is it? They will make that choice for themselves just as I chose to learn Spanish and where I went to worship.
I, like many others, want to know why this was pushed through the planning department so easily? I sympathize with Pastor Alan Jackson because I understand the politics at play when it comes to building in the city or county and it seems the county in this case has given an “all clear” without knowing the details. I’ve gone through the process myself to build a barn in Lascassas and it is a very in depth process for even a barn, not to mention how many neighbors caught up with me to ask why did I need to build this? They were being “vigilant” and wanted to protect their investment in the area, that is how we can protect ourselves. Also, where is the money coming from? Do I even have a right to ask this question, who cares if I do or not. It seems to me if the ICM was trying to cast a better light on this project they would open up and answer it. By not answering it leads me to believe they are hiding something.
Ultimately, my way of life will not be changed by this, I won’t let it. Yes I believe the Constitution is strong enough to handle this and many other attacks. I also expect my local government to take control of situations like this and when they don’t they lose my vote. It’s a simple process.
Guthwine, I’m not old enough to refer to the original artist sorry about that besides many people write songs for other artists to perform. I do remember as a kid buying one of my last cassette tapes of Tesla’s “Five Man Acoustical Jam” which had “Love Song” and “Signs”. I did a presentation on this song in my high school political science class. The writer does display his beliefs to say “To put up a fence and keep me out, or to keep Mother Nature in, If God was here, he'd tell it to your face, man, you're some kind of sinner”, meaning, even God would agree with me its wrong. The writer also offers a note for the offering, that says "Thank you Lord for thinking 'bout me, I'm alive and doing fine” because “he didn’t have a penny to spare”. Last I checked that is acceptable behavior and a person would be hard-pressed to find any different in the bible. The song is about intolerance, discrimination and wanting to be accepted.
I really don’t care if they build a mosque or not but would rather see this “problem” moved elsewhere. I have a good family friend that has been involved in the ICM for a number of years and I also had a friend survive from the 40th floor of the second tower. Should I blame one friend for another’s misfortunes? I see both sides without needing to belittle another person. Sure I no nothing about the religion and again don’t really care. What I do know is we’ve engaged in a number of wars which I support to weaken a group of people that have and do wish to inflict more damage on us and alter our “way of life” all in the name of Allah. Sounds nuts but its true.
I will tell you that my kids will not go to school to be forced to learn the Quran, how to speak Arabic or pray west 5 times a day, but that is not the issue is it? They will make that choice for themselves just as I chose to learn Spanish and where I went to worship.
I, like many others, want to know why this was pushed through the planning department so easily? I sympathize with Pastor Alan Jackson because I understand the politics at play when it comes to building in the city or county and it seems the county in this case has given an “all clear” without knowing the details. I’ve gone through the process myself to build a barn in Lascassas and it is a very in depth process for even a barn, not to mention how many neighbors caught up with me to ask why did I need to build this? They were being “vigilant” and wanted to protect their investment in the area, that is how we can protect ourselves. Also, where is the money coming from? Do I even have a right to ask this question, who cares if I do or not. It seems to me if the ICM was trying to cast a better light on this project they would open up and answer it. By not answering it leads me to believe they are hiding something.
Ultimately, my way of life will not be changed by this, I won’t let it. Yes I believe the Constitution is strong enough to handle this and many other attacks. I also expect my local government to take control of situations like this and when they don’t they lose my vote. It’s a simple process.
By: Newport1 on 8/11/10
Dang that dude's ugly. I've been looking at that mug for way too long now. Stop giving him press!
Dang that dude's ugly. I've been looking at that mug for way too long now. Stop giving him press!
By: redwing on 8/11/10
@guthwine,Islam banking,I believe is now in the US? All Islam banks must adhere to the stict rules re: SHARIAH,it is happening pal.
Great point Macgyver.
@guthwine,Islam banking,I believe is now in the US? All Islam banks must adhere to the stict rules re: SHARIAH,it is happening pal.
Great point Macgyver.
By: Farmall on 8/11/10
Don't be to sure about US law, this is from the headlines of a paper on the 24th of july.
"Sharia (Islamic) Law in New Jersey Court: Muslim husband rapes, beats, sexually abuses wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex"
This is just one of many I have heard about.
Don't be to sure about US law, this is from the headlines of a paper on the 24th of july.
"Sharia (Islamic) Law in New Jersey Court: Muslim husband rapes, beats, sexually abuses wife, judge sees no sexual assault because Islam forbids wives to refuse sex"
This is just one of many I have heard about.
By: SocEtTuem on 8/12/10
Realy strage how certain opinions are edited out as if they never existed...
Realy strage how certain opinions are edited out as if they never existed...
By: guthwine on 8/12/10
@ Redwing
Then they have to adhere to both Sharia and US laws. How is that any different than the ten commandments and US law? Don't give me that "US was created as a Christian nation" bunk because that will never be proven. The US was borne out of a multi-religious heritage.
@ Redwing
Then they have to adhere to both Sharia and US laws. How is that any different than the ten commandments and US law? Don't give me that "US was created as a Christian nation" bunk because that will never be proven. The US was borne out of a multi-religious heritage.
By: klagee1970 on 8/12/10
@ Farmall, or more politely, to Farmall (discussions on these here internets can seem awfully rude), I bet you've "heard" a lot of things. However, unless you name the paper, and the paper's source, I ain't buyin' it. That's the problem w/ this country. Too many people have "heard" things. In other words, democracy won't work if we are a nation of sheep easily led by demagogues, rather people with open minds that investigate the facts and draw our own conclusions. As Thomas Jefferson said, "(the people), IF WELL INFORMED,...are the safest depository of the ultimate powers of government." Problem is, I don't believe most of us people are "well informed." The demonstrations against the proposed Mosque (which will be built regardless of all the objections, sorry haters), and the results of the most recent local election tend to confirm my suspicions.
@ Farmall, or more politely, to Farmall (discussions on these here internets can seem awfully rude), I bet you've "heard" a lot of things. However, unless you name the paper, and the paper's source, I ain't buyin' it. That's the problem w/ this country. Too many people have "heard" things. In other words, democracy won't work if we are a nation of sheep easily led by demagogues, rather people with open minds that investigate the facts and draw our own conclusions. As Thomas Jefferson said, "(the people), IF WELL INFORMED,...are the safest depository of the ultimate powers of government." Problem is, I don't believe most of us people are "well informed." The demonstrations against the proposed Mosque (which will be built regardless of all the objections, sorry haters), and the results of the most recent local election tend to confirm my suspicions.
By: ellie on 8/12/10
Amazing how this country has regressed in 10 years. Do you remember who said:
"The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends ... The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam." - G.W. Bush 9/20/01
Early in its tenure the Bush administration began a serious effort to seek out and support moderate Islam. Since then, Washington has funded mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers that are trying to modernize Islam around the world.
What happened to that effort to embrace and educate our Muslim citizens? A two-year study by a group of academics on American Muslims and terrorism concluded that contemporary mosques are actually a deterrent to the spread of militant Islam and terrorism. The study was conducted by professors with Duke’s Sanford School of Public Policy and the University of North Carolina. It disclosed that many mosque leaders had put significant effort into countering extremism by building youth programs, sponsoring antiviolence forums and scrutinizing teachers and texts.
Are we going to regress into ignorance and fear? Some seem to think 'the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.' Sorry, you can't alienate a billion people. We need to find common ground with our fellow world citizens.
Amazing how this country has regressed in 10 years. Do you remember who said:
"The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends ... The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam." - G.W. Bush 9/20/01
Early in its tenure the Bush administration began a serious effort to seek out and support moderate Islam. Since then, Washington has funded mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers that are trying to modernize Islam around the world.
What happened to that effort to embrace and educate our Muslim citizens? A two-year study by a group of academics on American Muslims and terrorism concluded that contemporary mosques are actually a deterrent to the spread of militant Islam and terrorism. The study was conducted by professors with Duke’s Sanford School of Public Policy and the University of North Carolina. It disclosed that many mosque leaders had put significant effort into countering extremism by building youth programs, sponsoring antiviolence forums and scrutinizing teachers and texts.
Are we going to regress into ignorance and fear? Some seem to think 'the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.' Sorry, you can't alienate a billion people. We need to find common ground with our fellow world citizens.
By: Farmall on 8/13/10
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/advocates-anti-shariah-measures-alarmed-judges-ruling/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html
http://joinhunt4yaser.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/sharia-islamic-law-in-new-jersey-court-muslim-husband-rapes-beats-sexually-abuses-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-islam-forbids-wives-to-refuse-sex/
Fine don't believe me look for yourself. And just to be double sure I looked up the judge as well. (Judge Joseph Charles) This was just the first one I found, it is one of many. By the way if your in a crowded place and you hear someone yell "allah akbar" you might want to "duck and cover".
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/advocates-anti-shariah-measures-alarmed-judges-ruling/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/sharia-in-new-jersey-muslim-husband-rapes-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-husbands-religio.html
http://joinhunt4yaser.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/sharia-islamic-law-in-new-jersey-court-muslim-husband-rapes-beats-sexually-abuses-wife-judge-sees-no-sexual-assault-because-islam-forbids-wives-to-refuse-sex/
Fine don't believe me look for yourself. And just to be double sure I looked up the judge as well. (Judge Joseph Charles) This was just the first one I found, it is one of many. By the way if your in a crowded place and you hear someone yell "allah akbar" you might want to "duck and cover".
By: redwing on 8/13/10
@guthwine
Why Sharia law in the US in the first place?
If you or anyone else would like a good read try: Robert Spencer,Islam 101, Mr. Spencer is very well educated,it's very interesting.
Also from the news wire,the Muslim Canadian Congress is on record as to opposing the mosque in NYC a few blocks from ground zero,also noted was the protest in the 'Boro about the building of a mosque and one in California,to quote Raheel Raza,
" there are to many mosques being built in the US and Canada"
Maybe the people of the 'Boro have a good point.
@guthwine
Why Sharia law in the US in the first place?
If you or anyone else would like a good read try: Robert Spencer,Islam 101, Mr. Spencer is very well educated,it's very interesting.
Also from the news wire,the Muslim Canadian Congress is on record as to opposing the mosque in NYC a few blocks from ground zero,also noted was the protest in the 'Boro about the building of a mosque and one in California,to quote Raheel Raza,
" there are to many mosques being built in the US and Canada"
Maybe the people of the 'Boro have a good point.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/13/10
Any religion, when it uses its theology to take away the rights of others and to dehumanize an entire group of people - IS SHAMEFUL AND OBSCENE. Yesterday was not Rutherford County's finest moment. Watch what was said from the podium and you will see what I mean.
Any religion, when it uses its theology to take away the rights of others and to dehumanize an entire group of people - IS SHAMEFUL AND OBSCENE. Yesterday was not Rutherford County's finest moment. Watch what was said from the podium and you will see what I mean.
By: AnotherOption on 8/14/10
ellie, where's your outrage of the violation of Church and State - "Washington has funded mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers that are trying to modernize Islam around the world. "
Wow, what would the reaction of you, Eric Bell and the Lame Stream Media be if Washington was building Christian Churches all over the world?
what happened to Theocratic Statism you are so afraid of...
again, a double standard from the left... Cornerstone Church rents out a room to a conservative talk-show host and the FBI is called in to investigate...
Nancy Pelosi encourages the clergy to preach from the pulpit and let their flock know it's gospel if they vote for her agenda...
double two-faced standard...
Eric, when will you scrutinize the Fed Gov't for building religious facilities all over the world...
I have watched your tactics... too bad you don't capture the vile comments coming from the Solidarity members who'd like to see nothing more than NO individual rights...
ellie, where's your outrage of the violation of Church and State - "Washington has funded mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers that are trying to modernize Islam around the world. "
Wow, what would the reaction of you, Eric Bell and the Lame Stream Media be if Washington was building Christian Churches all over the world?
what happened to Theocratic Statism you are so afraid of...
again, a double standard from the left... Cornerstone Church rents out a room to a conservative talk-show host and the FBI is called in to investigate...
Nancy Pelosi encourages the clergy to preach from the pulpit and let their flock know it's gospel if they vote for her agenda...
double two-faced standard...
Eric, when will you scrutinize the Fed Gov't for building religious facilities all over the world...
I have watched your tactics... too bad you don't capture the vile comments coming from the Solidarity members who'd like to see nothing more than NO individual rights...
By: marmee on 8/14/10
having been present at the rally against the building of the mosque and reading the comments posted on this page I went to BellMedia.org to find out more of this individual who I spoke with along with around 20+ citizens after the rally who when asked if he had served in the military his reply was no he would not waste his time,as well as following Ms. Zelenik around on the Central Middle School parking lot shouting at her was she so ashamed of her politics that she would not speak to them.I watched him approach a gentleman carrying our flag (regardless where you stand on the issue) and ask him if he could tell his friend (amr or such) he had standing beside him) that he was goinhg to hell for not being of the christian faith.I personally stated to him my disgust in his approach to this gentleman and others to receive the reply he was just trying to provoke him into speaking to him.Manipulation in it's true form for the promotion of this film. He was also asked if he could possibly be so tunnel visioned a sto believe this was simply a freedom of religion issue. We Are At War. Lives were lost on 9/11 in the name of the muslim way.
having been present at the rally against the building of the mosque and reading the comments posted on this page I went to BellMedia.org to find out more of this individual who I spoke with along with around 20+ citizens after the rally who when asked if he had served in the military his reply was no he would not waste his time,as well as following Ms. Zelenik around on the Central Middle School parking lot shouting at her was she so ashamed of her politics that she would not speak to them.I watched him approach a gentleman carrying our flag (regardless where you stand on the issue) and ask him if he could tell his friend (amr or such) he had standing beside him) that he was goinhg to hell for not being of the christian faith.I personally stated to him my disgust in his approach to this gentleman and others to receive the reply he was just trying to provoke him into speaking to him.Manipulation in it's true form for the promotion of this film. He was also asked if he could possibly be so tunnel visioned a sto believe this was simply a freedom of religion issue. We Are At War. Lives were lost on 9/11 in the name of the muslim way.
By: marmee on 8/14/10
I continue to hear you can not categorize all muslims due to the actions of some. If in fact you do not believe in the black and white words written in the quran,if you do not convert you must die. the reference to infidels and dogs from this faith then it is your responsibility to seperate yourself from such a way not to expect those of us around you to have to pick whos the good guy or the bad.We have witnessed the muslim in our military in Texas show his faith through the murder of his assumed fellow service members. This is where tolerance has gotten us. We are at war, this is not a simple freedom of religion issue. It states in our constitution we as America have the right and in my opinion duty to stand against a threat to our country. Once again WE ARE AT WAR and I can not for the life of me or those serving everyday for our freedom and the protection of our soil understand why this is not being addressed. If you want to put effort into anything,stand for your country,thank our military for the heavy packs and weapons they carry for us, for sleeping in trucks and on the ground in elelments we run inside to escape. I could go on and on. When asked why I was there by this individual my reply. I Am here standing in for my son who is serving to protect and allow those of us against and those for to stand without the threat of punishment and voice our opinions.Thank them, remember who and where you are, send a card of thanks and encouragement to a marine or soldier for the willingness and unselfish act of your protection,giving you the ability to eat hot food and sleep in warm beds,to hug your children while we wonder each moment and pray for the safety of ours
I continue to hear you can not categorize all muslims due to the actions of some. If in fact you do not believe in the black and white words written in the quran,if you do not convert you must die. the reference to infidels and dogs from this faith then it is your responsibility to seperate yourself from such a way not to expect those of us around you to have to pick whos the good guy or the bad.We have witnessed the muslim in our military in Texas show his faith through the murder of his assumed fellow service members. This is where tolerance has gotten us. We are at war, this is not a simple freedom of religion issue. It states in our constitution we as America have the right and in my opinion duty to stand against a threat to our country. Once again WE ARE AT WAR and I can not for the life of me or those serving everyday for our freedom and the protection of our soil understand why this is not being addressed. If you want to put effort into anything,stand for your country,thank our military for the heavy packs and weapons they carry for us, for sleeping in trucks and on the ground in elelments we run inside to escape. I could go on and on. When asked why I was there by this individual my reply. I Am here standing in for my son who is serving to protect and allow those of us against and those for to stand without the threat of punishment and voice our opinions.Thank them, remember who and where you are, send a card of thanks and encouragement to a marine or soldier for the willingness and unselfish act of your protection,giving you the ability to eat hot food and sleep in warm beds,to hug your children while we wonder each moment and pray for the safety of ours
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/15/10
@marmee - if you have followed any of the Bell's action you would see that they are not honest or pure. He started a debate on a facebook page stating he had no agenda and yet as time has gone by his agenda was exposed and now he admits he has an agenda. There is a Middle Tennesseans for Religious Freedom fan page that does not really promote religious freedom so much as it IS promoting a hate for Christians. And if one notes, one will see that a majority of the people standing with the mosque are young college kids and like Bell, many also classify themselves as Anarchists. Bell is not here to benefit this community - but to benefit himself, his wallet and the wallet of those who are bank rolling his filming of this.
@marmee - if you have followed any of the Bell's action you would see that they are not honest or pure. He started a debate on a facebook page stating he had no agenda and yet as time has gone by his agenda was exposed and now he admits he has an agenda. There is a Middle Tennesseans for Religious Freedom fan page that does not really promote religious freedom so much as it IS promoting a hate for Christians. And if one notes, one will see that a majority of the people standing with the mosque are young college kids and like Bell, many also classify themselves as Anarchists. Bell is not here to benefit this community - but to benefit himself, his wallet and the wallet of those who are bank rolling his filming of this.
By: marmee on 8/15/10
@murfreesboropastor- I agree with you 100%. As I stated in my comments his sole purpose appears to be personal gain and recognition at any cost. When approached with the issues surrounding this mosque he had no intelligent response to the questions that were posed to him by myself and those who joined in the debate concerning issues other than the freedom of religion point he so fondly and only wants to refer to. When asked if he had served in the military and replying no he would not waste his time,this understandibly infuriated a young man standing near that had just signed up for service to his country who in no uncertain terms expressed this to Bell who at this time after working the crowd and trying to provoke those around him as he himself admitted turned to a police officer for assistance for what he himself had initiated by his negative, stupid reply concerning our military heros. These courageous men and women leave all they are familiar with and love for the betterment of those they do not know.
I to as you noticed the unruly attitudes and slurs thrown by those who claimed to be there in the name of peace. Flash backs of a time gone by came to mind. As stated before if they are in need of a cause to stand for stand for the U.S.M.C. and every other branch of ourservice since these men and women though most of the same age as most of the young ones for the mosque have chosen a path of unselfish sacrifice for them and those of us of a mature age who are well aware of what is truly taking place in our country.
@murfreesboropastor- I agree with you 100%. As I stated in my comments his sole purpose appears to be personal gain and recognition at any cost. When approached with the issues surrounding this mosque he had no intelligent response to the questions that were posed to him by myself and those who joined in the debate concerning issues other than the freedom of religion point he so fondly and only wants to refer to. When asked if he had served in the military and replying no he would not waste his time,this understandibly infuriated a young man standing near that had just signed up for service to his country who in no uncertain terms expressed this to Bell who at this time after working the crowd and trying to provoke those around him as he himself admitted turned to a police officer for assistance for what he himself had initiated by his negative, stupid reply concerning our military heros. These courageous men and women leave all they are familiar with and love for the betterment of those they do not know.
I to as you noticed the unruly attitudes and slurs thrown by those who claimed to be there in the name of peace. Flash backs of a time gone by came to mind. As stated before if they are in need of a cause to stand for stand for the U.S.M.C. and every other branch of ourservice since these men and women though most of the same age as most of the young ones for the mosque have chosen a path of unselfish sacrifice for them and those of us of a mature age who are well aware of what is truly taking place in our country.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/15/10
I am pretty sure that most members of MTRF would not classify themselves as "Anarchists". I do personally, but not under the very broad definition you would find in the dictionary. More specifically: ": a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power"
I don't rebel blindly and I don't rebel indiscriminately. Not all authority is bad.
And for further clarification I am not a student at MTSU and I am not a member of MTRF. That organization FB page is most definitely NOT a Christian hate group. That is nonsense.
I am pretty sure that most members of MTRF would not classify themselves as "Anarchists". I do personally, but not under the very broad definition you would find in the dictionary. More specifically: ": a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power"
I don't rebel blindly and I don't rebel indiscriminately. Not all authority is bad.
And for further clarification I am not a student at MTSU and I am not a member of MTRF. That organization FB page is most definitely NOT a Christian hate group. That is nonsense.
By: kcouncil on 8/16/10
What has happened to humanity? Someone show me in the bible where God wants you to hate others? And don't pull out "thou shalt place no other God before me", either. It is not for anyone of you to judge another persons religion or belief in God. Radical christians do more harm in the name of God thank allowing a place of worship to be built will do. And what do you mean, how did this get "pushed" through? On what legal, logical, constitutional, or moral ground, can you say the Islam community does not have a right to build a place of worship? Either you want to defend the constitution, or you don't. Stop trying to have it both ways. Make logical fact based decisions and arguments. And Eric Bell, whatever your reason, be it personal gain or exposure of other cultures....Good for you for exercising your FREEDOMS that were so hard fought in this country by our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers. Hate is not a family value people. And I would bet my life, this is not what God had in mind. My God is a God of love, acceptance, equality and understanding. A God that wants my heart and my mind opened. A God that wants me to love one another as I am loved. I'll run with that one and take my chances.
Listen to yourselves people. You are spouting hatred in the name of God. And you think you're better than the minority you want to run out of town? Really?
What has happened to humanity? Someone show me in the bible where God wants you to hate others? And don't pull out "thou shalt place no other God before me", either. It is not for anyone of you to judge another persons religion or belief in God. Radical christians do more harm in the name of God thank allowing a place of worship to be built will do. And what do you mean, how did this get "pushed" through? On what legal, logical, constitutional, or moral ground, can you say the Islam community does not have a right to build a place of worship? Either you want to defend the constitution, or you don't. Stop trying to have it both ways. Make logical fact based decisions and arguments. And Eric Bell, whatever your reason, be it personal gain or exposure of other cultures....Good for you for exercising your FREEDOMS that were so hard fought in this country by our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers. Hate is not a family value people. And I would bet my life, this is not what God had in mind. My God is a God of love, acceptance, equality and understanding. A God that wants my heart and my mind opened. A God that wants me to love one another as I am loved. I'll run with that one and take my chances.
Listen to yourselves people. You are spouting hatred in the name of God. And you think you're better than the minority you want to run out of town? Really?
By: marmee on 8/17/10
@kcouncil: On the same grounds it took for any other building to be erected and the length of time it takes to adequately study the effects of such on the area and people around such a facility of this size. The fact as well once again that we are at war and people have died and are dying in defense of our country due to the acts of terrorism in the name of this religion you so fondly embrace these actions as.Minority? Really? Where do you live? The constitution is like the bible. You can not pick and choose which portion you wish to follow. We in the constitution have the right to defend and should our country. I am sickened by this mosque, the ground zero mosque, the one applyed for in Antioch etc. We can not simply disregard the battle being fought for us for peace sign waving people with there heads buryed in the sand believing in the perfect world of love and happiness which just does not now nor hasn'rt existed since the days of the garden of eden! Stand for your country. If these people due not believe in their quran then denounce it, oh that's right they will kill them if they do, sorry I forgot about that. Really
@kcouncil: On the same grounds it took for any other building to be erected and the length of time it takes to adequately study the effects of such on the area and people around such a facility of this size. The fact as well once again that we are at war and people have died and are dying in defense of our country due to the acts of terrorism in the name of this religion you so fondly embrace these actions as.Minority? Really? Where do you live? The constitution is like the bible. You can not pick and choose which portion you wish to follow. We in the constitution have the right to defend and should our country. I am sickened by this mosque, the ground zero mosque, the one applyed for in Antioch etc. We can not simply disregard the battle being fought for us for peace sign waving people with there heads buryed in the sand believing in the perfect world of love and happiness which just does not now nor hasn'rt existed since the days of the garden of eden! Stand for your country. If these people due not believe in their quran then denounce it, oh that's right they will kill them if they do, sorry I forgot about that. Really
By: EricAllenBell on 8/17/10
Marmee -
It is simply is not true that Muslims in America who leave Islam are going to be killed as a result of it.
Also, when you say you cannot pick and choose when it comes to the Bible, I wonder what you would say to those who do not believe anything in the Bible to be holy or the word of God.
Isn't this all a way of masking your deeper belief that Christianity is the ONLY true way?
Marmee -
It is simply is not true that Muslims in America who leave Islam are going to be killed as a result of it.
Also, when you say you cannot pick and choose when it comes to the Bible, I wonder what you would say to those who do not believe anything in the Bible to be holy or the word of God.
Isn't this all a way of masking your deeper belief that Christianity is the ONLY true way?
By: marmee on 8/17/10
Manipulation of words is so very transparent since the full content of my comments are available for all to read. Your attempt to sound intelligent would far better be used on a generation that has not witnessed this type of misrepresentation and manipulation of words for personal gain numerous times. an opportunist not worthy or capable of having a true debate about the numerous concerns around this and the ground zero mosque which I find to be a disgrace and utter disrespect for those who lost their lives and loved ones in the 9/11 terrorist attack.The concerns of those who live in these areas are legitimate and deserve answers. Grow Up
Manipulation of words is so very transparent since the full content of my comments are available for all to read. Your attempt to sound intelligent would far better be used on a generation that has not witnessed this type of misrepresentation and manipulation of words for personal gain numerous times. an opportunist not worthy or capable of having a true debate about the numerous concerns around this and the ground zero mosque which I find to be a disgrace and utter disrespect for those who lost their lives and loved ones in the 9/11 terrorist attack.The concerns of those who live in these areas are legitimate and deserve answers. Grow Up
By: EricAllenBell on 8/18/10
Again Marmee - I am asking you a very direct question here. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to God? Yes or No?
Again Marmee - I am asking you a very direct question here. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to God? Yes or No?
By: Farmall on 8/18/10
If you read the bible then the answer is yes. Not being religious its nonsense to me. Mind you Christians are trying to save me for their god. While muslims are trying to kill me for theirs.
If you read the bible then the answer is yes. Not being religious its nonsense to me. Mind you Christians are trying to save me for their god. While muslims are trying to kill me for theirs.
By: bennychaff on 8/18/10
Still with this guy! How much longer do we have to look at his ugly mug?
Still with this guy! How much longer do we have to look at his ugly mug?
By: EricAllenBell on 8/18/10
bennychaff - go back to looking at Glenn Beck. He's prettier than me and he is easier for you to understand ;)
bennychaff - go back to looking at Glenn Beck. He's prettier than me and he is easier for you to understand ;)
By: EricAllenBell on 8/18/10
Opposition to the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro building a new facility is motivated primarily by a combination of ignorance, fear and a sense of religious superiority.
Opposition to the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro building a new facility is motivated primarily by a combination of ignorance, fear and a sense of religious superiority.
By: marmee on 8/19/10
Bell: it is such a shame that you are unable to grasp the concept that this is not simply an issue of freedom of religion. It is an issue of right and wrong as well. We are at war with the Islamic nation, we have been tolerant to the point of the state of affairs our country is in today. Numerous accounts are made of people of the muslim belief with secret agendas being accepted as in the military in the case in Texas etc. to cause death and destruction to families in the name of their belief. Since there is no way of seperating the good from evil in this situation we must be aware and take every precaution to protect our country as has been done in previous wars. Securing the safety of the American people. The agendas and history of those involved in the erection of this mosque are to say the least questionable. There are numerous attempts all over our country for the approval of the positionings of mosques. Two blocks from ground zero which is nothing less than shameful and an open show of disrespect for the families of those who have lost loved ones in the towers as well as those serving presently in our military and prior to protect our country. My beliefs are simply none of your business but for the benefit of those reading this comment and that you are aware I am not ashamed of who and what I believe, I do believe in God. This however is not a freedom of religion issue for me but that of protection of our country, protection and rights of those individuals who live in the area of the mosque as well. No, the issues are far beyond the simple freedom of religion you continue to refer to. It appears to me you have a serious serious issue with the christian faith and like a child avert your accusations to others. Your limitations to grasp the true concept of what is occuring in our country and inability to engage in a true debate has become boring. Your goal of personal gain is obvious and your desire to be recognized is somewhat sad. Anyone who may have at some point thought you to be truly interested in your cause whatever that may be will in time see you for what you truly are, they always do.
Bell: it is such a shame that you are unable to grasp the concept that this is not simply an issue of freedom of religion. It is an issue of right and wrong as well. We are at war with the Islamic nation, we have been tolerant to the point of the state of affairs our country is in today. Numerous accounts are made of people of the muslim belief with secret agendas being accepted as in the military in the case in Texas etc. to cause death and destruction to families in the name of their belief. Since there is no way of seperating the good from evil in this situation we must be aware and take every precaution to protect our country as has been done in previous wars. Securing the safety of the American people. The agendas and history of those involved in the erection of this mosque are to say the least questionable. There are numerous attempts all over our country for the approval of the positionings of mosques. Two blocks from ground zero which is nothing less than shameful and an open show of disrespect for the families of those who have lost loved ones in the towers as well as those serving presently in our military and prior to protect our country. My beliefs are simply none of your business but for the benefit of those reading this comment and that you are aware I am not ashamed of who and what I believe, I do believe in God. This however is not a freedom of religion issue for me but that of protection of our country, protection and rights of those individuals who live in the area of the mosque as well. No, the issues are far beyond the simple freedom of religion you continue to refer to. It appears to me you have a serious serious issue with the christian faith and like a child avert your accusations to others. Your limitations to grasp the true concept of what is occuring in our country and inability to engage in a true debate has become boring. Your goal of personal gain is obvious and your desire to be recognized is somewhat sad. Anyone who may have at some point thought you to be truly interested in your cause whatever that may be will in time see you for what you truly are, they always do.
By: dburrows on 8/20/10
@EricAllenBell
Here too, I see.
"Opposition to the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro..."
All opposition? Or some opposition? You keep making this sweeping generalization, as though no one could possibly have genuine issues about a 52,000 sq ft building going up in the neighborhood without it having some religious bent.
What crystal ball are you using to get this information? How can you possibly know the true motivations of anyone outside of what they say or do?
You could say you don't believe them, but you then need to demonstrate why that is.
"...building a new facility is motivated primarily..."
Are you now willing to acknowledge that no one has a 'right' to build a building, regardless of what they call it?
You've continually dodged my questions in this regard elsewhere.
"...by a combination of ignorance,..."
So is all opposition ignorant or just some? How do you determine who is or who isn't ignorant? Have there been no sound arguments coming from this opposition to demonstrate that at least some of them actually have genuine concerns and a greater understanding than others?
"...fear..."
Your statement presupposes that fear is a bad thing. Why?
You said yourself in an interview: "Clearly there is radical Islam in the world. Clearly there are oppressive regimes, theocracies, violent militant groups and even sleeper cells right here in America."
Is this what they're afraid of? If so, are they not valid concerns?
I'll argue that fear is a good thing in many respects and that you are too ignorant to acknowledge such a thing.
"...and a sense of religious superiority."
Here we go again. Is it this fictional 'religious establishment' that feels they are 'religiously superior'? All opposition has some form of religious superiority? What religion is superior according to all the opposition?
Perhaps you should educate Publius, then, who said in another comment thread: "I oppose the mosque I opposed the christian theme park too." Because, according to you, he is motivated by "ignorance, fear and a sense of religious superiority." But he said himself that "I don't think these people are terrorists. I just want to live my life with out all the drama that these institutions bring." Was he lying? How do you know? Maybe he doesn't know that he is motivated by "ignorance, fear, and a sense of religious superiority."
You assert and reword and then assert some more. Your entire statement is another sweeping generalization which is a logical fallacy and, again, religiously bigoted. You are being intolerant of religious people by not listening to their concerns. You continue to make ad hominem attacks against them, this time insisting they're motivated by ignorance, fear and a sense of religious superiority.
We really should demand more from our documentarians... like logical coherence.
I answered your question, Eric, and you only had to ask it once. These are piling up and this is now the fourth time I'm asking two of these:
How did you come to know the word 'of'?
What first amendment rights are members of the ICM being denied? Please explain the correlation since you keep making this claim.
What is 'the religious establishment' in Murfreesboro and how are they denying these rights?
@EricAllenBell
Here too, I see.
"Opposition to the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro..."
All opposition? Or some opposition? You keep making this sweeping generalization, as though no one could possibly have genuine issues about a 52,000 sq ft building going up in the neighborhood without it having some religious bent.
What crystal ball are you using to get this information? How can you possibly know the true motivations of anyone outside of what they say or do?
You could say you don't believe them, but you then need to demonstrate why that is.
"...building a new facility is motivated primarily..."
Are you now willing to acknowledge that no one has a 'right' to build a building, regardless of what they call it?
You've continually dodged my questions in this regard elsewhere.
"...by a combination of ignorance,..."
So is all opposition ignorant or just some? How do you determine who is or who isn't ignorant? Have there been no sound arguments coming from this opposition to demonstrate that at least some of them actually have genuine concerns and a greater understanding than others?
"...fear..."
Your statement presupposes that fear is a bad thing. Why?
You said yourself in an interview: "Clearly there is radical Islam in the world. Clearly there are oppressive regimes, theocracies, violent militant groups and even sleeper cells right here in America."
Is this what they're afraid of? If so, are they not valid concerns?
I'll argue that fear is a good thing in many respects and that you are too ignorant to acknowledge such a thing.
"...and a sense of religious superiority."
Here we go again. Is it this fictional 'religious establishment' that feels they are 'religiously superior'? All opposition has some form of religious superiority? What religion is superior according to all the opposition?
Perhaps you should educate Publius, then, who said in another comment thread: "I oppose the mosque I opposed the christian theme park too." Because, according to you, he is motivated by "ignorance, fear and a sense of religious superiority." But he said himself that "I don't think these people are terrorists. I just want to live my life with out all the drama that these institutions bring." Was he lying? How do you know? Maybe he doesn't know that he is motivated by "ignorance, fear, and a sense of religious superiority."
You assert and reword and then assert some more. Your entire statement is another sweeping generalization which is a logical fallacy and, again, religiously bigoted. You are being intolerant of religious people by not listening to their concerns. You continue to make ad hominem attacks against them, this time insisting they're motivated by ignorance, fear and a sense of religious superiority.
We really should demand more from our documentarians... like logical coherence.
I answered your question, Eric, and you only had to ask it once. These are piling up and this is now the fourth time I'm asking two of these:
How did you come to know the word 'of'?
What first amendment rights are members of the ICM being denied? Please explain the correlation since you keep making this claim.
What is 'the religious establishment' in Murfreesboro and how are they denying these rights?
By: dburrows on 8/20/10
I wrote:
"You keep making this sweeping generalization, as though no one could possibly have genuine issues about a 52,000 sq ft building going up in the neighborhood without it having some religious bent."
I should also say that Eric Bell has not demonstrated any reason to believe that there can't be any good 'religiously motivated' reasons to oppose the ICM's building plans.
To make such assertions is horribly ignorant and intolerant towards all people of faith. That makes Eric Bell a bigot.
Just because something is religiously motivated, doesn't make it wrong, or make it any less substantial.
By doing this, Eric Bell makes another form of ad hominem by attacking the people instead of the issue.
This makes Eric a hypocrite as well. The ICM wants to build for what I would consider religious reasons. Eric, do you deny this? There is opposition with numerous reasons, both religious and non-religious, yet Eric still hasn't acknowledged any reasons other than (supposed) religious ones (if he has acknowledged them elsewhere, I would love to see it), and when fronted with reasons other than religious reasons he brushes them off by means of his psychic ability, thus saith EricAllenBell:
"Local people in Murfreeboro seek to take away the rights of others on the basis of fear, prejudice and religious superiority, all the while masking it as "traffic concerns" and "zoning concerns"."
In this case, if your opposed, regardless of your reason, Eric has damned you to nothing more than fear, prejudice and religious superiority.
That makes Eric prejudiced as well. Prejudiced towards the opposition and prejudiced towards the religious in our community.
Eric approves of the ICM's religious reasons to build while denying all religious AND non-religious reasons not to build.
I wrote:
"You keep making this sweeping generalization, as though no one could possibly have genuine issues about a 52,000 sq ft building going up in the neighborhood without it having some religious bent."
I should also say that Eric Bell has not demonstrated any reason to believe that there can't be any good 'religiously motivated' reasons to oppose the ICM's building plans.
To make such assertions is horribly ignorant and intolerant towards all people of faith. That makes Eric Bell a bigot.
Just because something is religiously motivated, doesn't make it wrong, or make it any less substantial.
By doing this, Eric Bell makes another form of ad hominem by attacking the people instead of the issue.
This makes Eric a hypocrite as well. The ICM wants to build for what I would consider religious reasons. Eric, do you deny this? There is opposition with numerous reasons, both religious and non-religious, yet Eric still hasn't acknowledged any reasons other than (supposed) religious ones (if he has acknowledged them elsewhere, I would love to see it), and when fronted with reasons other than religious reasons he brushes them off by means of his psychic ability, thus saith EricAllenBell:
"Local people in Murfreeboro seek to take away the rights of others on the basis of fear, prejudice and religious superiority, all the while masking it as "traffic concerns" and "zoning concerns"."
In this case, if your opposed, regardless of your reason, Eric has damned you to nothing more than fear, prejudice and religious superiority.
That makes Eric prejudiced as well. Prejudiced towards the opposition and prejudiced towards the religious in our community.
Eric approves of the ICM's religious reasons to build while denying all religious AND non-religious reasons not to build.
By: Ponycar on 8/20/10
I wonder why the Utah state troopers memorial crosses for all Utah troopers killed in the line of duty, but ordered taken down my some liberal judge beacuase they were ruled unconstitutional, isn't getting the media attention that the Mosque and Muslims freedom od religion is. Liberals are detroying my county !!!!
I wonder why the Utah state troopers memorial crosses for all Utah troopers killed in the line of duty, but ordered taken down my some liberal judge beacuase they were ruled unconstitutional, isn't getting the media attention that the Mosque and Muslims freedom od religion is. Liberals are detroying my county !!!!