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By: ClearHeaded on 6/18/10
Wow. A whole community joining together to demonstrate just how small minded they can be. The reference to Nazism just kills me. Can you guess why? Because they are already acting in a congruent manner to that of the "white supremacist Nazi's" by singling out an entire group of people and demonizing them as a whole. They are out to kill us!!! Jesus, or shall I say Allah, you people need to wake up. Sure there are radical extremists that want to do you harm. Are they in Murfreesboro, TN?? Not too likely. Further, would you be asking the commission to do extensive background checks if it were a Catholic church being built? Because we've all seen how widespread pedophilia has become within that sect. Take a step back and think about what this country was founded on. Sure, many of our founding fathers chose the path of Christianity to be their stated religion. But many did not. And the whole idea behind forming this nation was to escape the very type of religious persecution that is brewing in your small Tennessee town. Think....with your brain. Even for a moment. I beg of you!
Wow. A whole community joining together to demonstrate just how small minded they can be. The reference to Nazism just kills me. Can you guess why? Because they are already acting in a congruent manner to that of the "white supremacist Nazi's" by singling out an entire group of people and demonizing them as a whole. They are out to kill us!!! Jesus, or shall I say Allah, you people need to wake up. Sure there are radical extremists that want to do you harm. Are they in Murfreesboro, TN?? Not too likely. Further, would you be asking the commission to do extensive background checks if it were a Catholic church being built? Because we've all seen how widespread pedophilia has become within that sect. Take a step back and think about what this country was founded on. Sure, many of our founding fathers chose the path of Christianity to be their stated religion. But many did not. And the whole idea behind forming this nation was to escape the very type of religious persecution that is brewing in your small Tennessee town. Think....with your brain. Even for a moment. I beg of you!
By: Abdulameer on 6/18/10
In the words of the leading Islamic religious authorities, Islam is NOT a religion like other religions. Therefore, it follows that a mosque is NOT like a church.
At the root of popular opposition to mosques is the fear that Islam might just not be the religion of peace that our misguided political leaders say it is or that Islamic propagandists say it is. There is a fear that Islam is not just another religion like Christianity or Buddhism or whatever. These fears are well-founded, but because of general ignorance of the doctrines of Islam, people can't be sure. In fact, Islam is NOT a religion like other religions; and Islamic scholars are the first ones to say so. For example, Yusuf Qaradawi (the most influential Muslim cleric in the world today, the spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood) said: "Islam is not a religion in the common, distorted meaning of the word, confining its scope only to the private life of man. By saying that it is a complete way of life, we mean that it caters for all the fields of human existence. In fact, Islam provides guidance for all walks of life — individual and social, material and moral, economic and political, legal and cultural, national and international." This "complete way of life" is the Sharia sacred Islamic law which calls for the legal subordination of non-Moslems to Moslems and of women to men; it requires death for homosexuals, apostates and blasphemers. And, it calls for eternal war (jihad) against non-Moslems until Islamic law dominates throughout the world. These doctrines all come from the Koran and the sayings of Muhammad which are preached and taught in every mosque in the world, and will be taught in the proposed mosques. People questioning the new mosques need to understand why Islam is unique and not like other religions. Then they would know that mosques are not like churches because mosques are centers for the propagation of sharia law. If Islam is not like other religions, it should not be treated like other religions. If mosques are not like churches and other houses of prayer, then mosques should not be treated like other houses of prayer. Mosques are centers for the propagation of Islamic supremacist ideology, and they should be treated like other centers for the propagation of ideology, such as the Communist Party.
In the words of the leading Islamic religious authorities, Islam is NOT a religion like other religions. Therefore, it follows that a mosque is NOT like a church.
At the root of popular opposition to mosques is the fear that Islam might just not be the religion of peace that our misguided political leaders say it is or that Islamic propagandists say it is. There is a fear that Islam is not just another religion like Christianity or Buddhism or whatever. These fears are well-founded, but because of general ignorance of the doctrines of Islam, people can't be sure. In fact, Islam is NOT a religion like other religions; and Islamic scholars are the first ones to say so. For example, Yusuf Qaradawi (the most influential Muslim cleric in the world today, the spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood) said: "Islam is not a religion in the common, distorted meaning of the word, confining its scope only to the private life of man. By saying that it is a complete way of life, we mean that it caters for all the fields of human existence. In fact, Islam provides guidance for all walks of life — individual and social, material and moral, economic and political, legal and cultural, national and international." This "complete way of life" is the Sharia sacred Islamic law which calls for the legal subordination of non-Moslems to Moslems and of women to men; it requires death for homosexuals, apostates and blasphemers. And, it calls for eternal war (jihad) against non-Moslems until Islamic law dominates throughout the world. These doctrines all come from the Koran and the sayings of Muhammad which are preached and taught in every mosque in the world, and will be taught in the proposed mosques. People questioning the new mosques need to understand why Islam is unique and not like other religions. Then they would know that mosques are not like churches because mosques are centers for the propagation of sharia law. If Islam is not like other religions, it should not be treated like other religions. If mosques are not like churches and other houses of prayer, then mosques should not be treated like other houses of prayer. Mosques are centers for the propagation of Islamic supremacist ideology, and they should be treated like other centers for the propagation of ideology, such as the Communist Party.
By: Gunnar on 6/18/10
Pardon me, ClearHeaded. You need to get ahold of your copy of the Koran. Real Muslims follow the word of Muhammad. Muhammad says "Submit or Die." Muhammad says "What is good for Islam is good. Kill, steal, lie. If it is good for Islam, do it." Now check out your KJV bible, Torah, Bagadavd Gita, etc. Do these scriptures advocate violence? Not my versions. I could be wrong. Just get your own Koran and commentaries, they're on line. Ask your friendly local Muslim, he'll get you a copy. Be sure and read how women are to be treated, now. There are also Imans on line, read their answers to questions.
Pardon me, ClearHeaded. You need to get ahold of your copy of the Koran. Real Muslims follow the word of Muhammad. Muhammad says "Submit or Die." Muhammad says "What is good for Islam is good. Kill, steal, lie. If it is good for Islam, do it." Now check out your KJV bible, Torah, Bagadavd Gita, etc. Do these scriptures advocate violence? Not my versions. I could be wrong. Just get your own Koran and commentaries, they're on line. Ask your friendly local Muslim, he'll get you a copy. Be sure and read how women are to be treated, now. There are also Imans on line, read their answers to questions.
By: fraseroflovat on 6/18/10
Good God...This whole thing reads like a script for a South Park episode. How many more stereotypes can these people willingly put upon themselves? At least there was no mention of "wharrgarrbl! Show us the birth certificate! wharrgarrbl!"
Good God...This whole thing reads like a script for a South Park episode. How many more stereotypes can these people willingly put upon themselves? At least there was no mention of "wharrgarrbl! Show us the birth certificate! wharrgarrbl!"
By: chucklehead on 6/18/10
Gunnar: are you joking, or just ignorant?
The Bible doesn't advocate violence?
Which Bible are YOU talking about? 'Cause here's just a few passages from the King James version:
LEVITICUS 25:44-46, which advises God's people on the ownership of slaves;
SAMUEL 15:2-3, where the Lord commands Saul to slaughter the Amalekites, down to the last man, woman and child, "infant and suckling."
EXODUS 15:3 is pretty clear: "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name."
NUMBERS 31 where the Lord commands Moses to go to war against the Midianites; after which, Moses waxes wroth in anger because his commanders allowed the male children and adult women to live.
or how about DEUTERONOMY 13:6-16, where the Lord addresses the possibility that your friends and/or relatives might practice a different religion. His command? "Thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death..."
And, lest you think this is only Old Testament stuff, here's Jesus speaking in Mark 19:27: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me"
The point I'm making here is not to pick on you, Gunnar, or even the Christian faith - no, my point is that there's more than enough in the Christian scriptures to inspire mentally-unhinged believers to wreak havoc on innocents.
If you're gonna oppose the construction of a house of worship on the grounds that their scriptures preach violence, you should look to your own house first.
'Cause this sure looks like rank hypocricy from where I'm sitting.
Gunnar: are you joking, or just ignorant?
The Bible doesn't advocate violence?
Which Bible are YOU talking about? 'Cause here's just a few passages from the King James version:
LEVITICUS 25:44-46, which advises God's people on the ownership of slaves;
SAMUEL 15:2-3, where the Lord commands Saul to slaughter the Amalekites, down to the last man, woman and child, "infant and suckling."
EXODUS 15:3 is pretty clear: "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name."
NUMBERS 31 where the Lord commands Moses to go to war against the Midianites; after which, Moses waxes wroth in anger because his commanders allowed the male children and adult women to live.
or how about DEUTERONOMY 13:6-16, where the Lord addresses the possibility that your friends and/or relatives might practice a different religion. His command? "Thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death..."
And, lest you think this is only Old Testament stuff, here's Jesus speaking in Mark 19:27: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me"
The point I'm making here is not to pick on you, Gunnar, or even the Christian faith - no, my point is that there's more than enough in the Christian scriptures to inspire mentally-unhinged believers to wreak havoc on innocents.
If you're gonna oppose the construction of a house of worship on the grounds that their scriptures preach violence, you should look to your own house first.
'Cause this sure looks like rank hypocricy from where I'm sitting.
By: fraseroflovat on 6/18/10
@chucklehead - I agree. Christians have their extremists also. They're the ones that kill doctors for performing abortions and, let's not forget, the "god hates fags" group that attempts to incite violence through their words and actions.
@chucklehead - I agree. Christians have their extremists also. They're the ones that kill doctors for performing abortions and, let's not forget, the "god hates fags" group that attempts to incite violence through their words and actions.
By: ntheknow on 6/18/10
Clearheaded, you said, "Sure there are radical extremists that want to do you harm. Are they in Murfreesboro, TN?? Not too likely." Well, in the last few years, Murfreesboro Police have identified two here in Murfreesboro that are on the Terrorist watch list. If you ask me, thats two too many!! And the Islamic "religion" also has a political agenda, and its not what this country was founded upon.
Clearheaded, you said, "Sure there are radical extremists that want to do you harm. Are they in Murfreesboro, TN?? Not too likely." Well, in the last few years, Murfreesboro Police have identified two here in Murfreesboro that are on the Terrorist watch list. If you ask me, thats two too many!! And the Islamic "religion" also has a political agenda, and its not what this country was founded upon.
By: hamrtyme on 6/19/10
I got my notice thr morning of the meeting, it was stuck behind the flag of my mailbox.
I have 2 real gripes about the location of this compound, 1st I live less than 1/4 of a mile from it & I DON'T want to listen to that amrinet (not sure what it's call & I can't spell it) going off 5 times a day. 2nd gripe is Bradyville pike itself, are you going to turn the road into a 3 lane for the traffic congestion? It's hard enough getting out at the Medford Campbell entrance onto Bradyville pike.
As for the muslims I don't really have issues with them, every religion has their own extremeist but I really don't want this in my front yard, then my property value drop & it will drop. When the were on Middle Tennessee Blvd. did they noisly do the call to prayer. I personally have no hatred for anyone, if I can forgive the young man that caused my younest son's death I can pretty patient with anyone else.
I got my notice thr morning of the meeting, it was stuck behind the flag of my mailbox.
I have 2 real gripes about the location of this compound, 1st I live less than 1/4 of a mile from it & I DON'T want to listen to that amrinet (not sure what it's call & I can't spell it) going off 5 times a day. 2nd gripe is Bradyville pike itself, are you going to turn the road into a 3 lane for the traffic congestion? It's hard enough getting out at the Medford Campbell entrance onto Bradyville pike.
As for the muslims I don't really have issues with them, every religion has their own extremeist but I really don't want this in my front yard, then my property value drop & it will drop. When the were on Middle Tennessee Blvd. did they noisly do the call to prayer. I personally have no hatred for anyone, if I can forgive the young man that caused my younest son's death I can pretty patient with anyone else.
By: Derptacular on 6/19/10
Southern redneck christians really are too stupid to even make fun of, they just wouldn't get it.
Here's an idea for you souless ego maniacs:
Just start killing everyone you see that isn't a white redneck republican wannabe. That's what you want even though you won't spit it out. You hate people for their religion and race then pretend you are only interested in protecting your community which is a total lie. All you care about is yourselves, but you are too stupid to know that is what you really think.
You don't have a christian bone in your body but you use your " christianity" as a disguise to pretend to have ethics. The truth is you have never known what ethics are, they weren't properly taught to you so it's not too hard to understand why you've become such a hateful person. I feel sorry for the people that live there that will get unjustly branded ignorant for your idiotic statements and actions, but I guess they could just move the heck out of there, like I did.
Southern redneck christians really are too stupid to even make fun of, they just wouldn't get it.
Here's an idea for you souless ego maniacs:
Just start killing everyone you see that isn't a white redneck republican wannabe. That's what you want even though you won't spit it out. You hate people for their religion and race then pretend you are only interested in protecting your community which is a total lie. All you care about is yourselves, but you are too stupid to know that is what you really think.
You don't have a christian bone in your body but you use your " christianity" as a disguise to pretend to have ethics. The truth is you have never known what ethics are, they weren't properly taught to you so it's not too hard to understand why you've become such a hateful person. I feel sorry for the people that live there that will get unjustly branded ignorant for your idiotic statements and actions, but I guess they could just move the heck out of there, like I did.
By: mokasz on 6/19/10
McCarthyism is the political action of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.
Any of this ring a bell America. Back then, there were wide spread rumors about communists plans to take over America.
Now, and because of a gangster named Bin Laden, the same exact fear is happening again.
Only American will destroy America from within. Only these bigots that attended city hall meeting shouting and using bigotry, will destroy America. We should not let these people get there ways. Muslims have been here for over 200 years, and an action of a lunatic fringe never represented them, and never will.
McCarthyism is the political action of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.
Any of this ring a bell America. Back then, there were wide spread rumors about communists plans to take over America.
Now, and because of a gangster named Bin Laden, the same exact fear is happening again.
Only American will destroy America from within. Only these bigots that attended city hall meeting shouting and using bigotry, will destroy America. We should not let these people get there ways. Muslims have been here for over 200 years, and an action of a lunatic fringe never represented them, and never will.
By: caronhalt on 6/20/10
Be very carefull: The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.”
Islam spreads like a virus. It radiates from Muslim countries that are too diseased to support it and into healthy systems that are that way because they have had the luxury of developing apart from Islam. Once in the host system, the Islam virus uses the existing machinery to make replicas of itself. Over time, the host (U.S.A) makes unilateral concessions to the religion, feeding and appeasing it in the vain hope that it can be pacified.
Vital organs are co-opted and eventually shut down as Islam advances. In a matter of time, the entire system groans to an agonizing death and assumes the condition of the diseased nations from which Muslims originally fled. The virus then looks for new hosts to cannibalize.
Some Westerners, particularly those with children (and an investment in the future), are far-sighted enough to trace the eventual end game of current trends. Though many Muslims are decent people, the religion itself always has a way of bringing the radicals along with it. The radicals then infest and influence the mainstream - and the rest of society pays the cost.
If you want to confront Islam, then you must be truthful and objective, rather than rude and slanderous. Don’t exaggerate or use absolutes. Don’t pretend that all Muslims are bad people, or that everything about Islam is bad.
The key to stopping Islam is education, because the more that is known about this 7th century religion the less appeal it will have in today’s world. Muslim defenders know this, which is why they hide behind censorship and book banning in the Islamic world and desperate but comical appeals to political correctness and multiculturalism in the West. Muslim organizations, such as CAIR, often rely on outright falsehood to deceive others into dropping their defenses.
Non-Muslim Westerners should understand that there is no reason to place Islam above criticism or Muslims above offense merely on that basis. In fact, there is every reason not to do this. Islamic law poses a threat to nearly every liberal value that the West holds dear.
Learn as much as you can about why Islam is dangerous. Understand its history. Learn how thousands of people can do brutal things each year explicitly in the name of Islam and Allah, while a billion others never seem to be terribly bothered about it.
In short, educate yourself. Then you can educate others. And they can educate others as well. Remember, Islam is not just a religion, but a political system as well.
Be very carefull: The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.”
Islam spreads like a virus. It radiates from Muslim countries that are too diseased to support it and into healthy systems that are that way because they have had the luxury of developing apart from Islam. Once in the host system, the Islam virus uses the existing machinery to make replicas of itself. Over time, the host (U.S.A) makes unilateral concessions to the religion, feeding and appeasing it in the vain hope that it can be pacified.
Vital organs are co-opted and eventually shut down as Islam advances. In a matter of time, the entire system groans to an agonizing death and assumes the condition of the diseased nations from which Muslims originally fled. The virus then looks for new hosts to cannibalize.
Some Westerners, particularly those with children (and an investment in the future), are far-sighted enough to trace the eventual end game of current trends. Though many Muslims are decent people, the religion itself always has a way of bringing the radicals along with it. The radicals then infest and influence the mainstream - and the rest of society pays the cost.
If you want to confront Islam, then you must be truthful and objective, rather than rude and slanderous. Don’t exaggerate or use absolutes. Don’t pretend that all Muslims are bad people, or that everything about Islam is bad.
The key to stopping Islam is education, because the more that is known about this 7th century religion the less appeal it will have in today’s world. Muslim defenders know this, which is why they hide behind censorship and book banning in the Islamic world and desperate but comical appeals to political correctness and multiculturalism in the West. Muslim organizations, such as CAIR, often rely on outright falsehood to deceive others into dropping their defenses.
Non-Muslim Westerners should understand that there is no reason to place Islam above criticism or Muslims above offense merely on that basis. In fact, there is every reason not to do this. Islamic law poses a threat to nearly every liberal value that the West holds dear.
Learn as much as you can about why Islam is dangerous. Understand its history. Learn how thousands of people can do brutal things each year explicitly in the name of Islam and Allah, while a billion others never seem to be terribly bothered about it.
In short, educate yourself. Then you can educate others. And they can educate others as well. Remember, Islam is not just a religion, but a political system as well.
By: SocEtTuem on 6/21/10
Anyone who believes Islam does not have both a social and political agenda for forced radical change is naive in the extreme.
Islam has a dedicated, irrefutable and unrelenting history of gross discrimination against and horrible treatment of women, religious intolerance, execution without trial of those living "alternative" lifestyles (always a liberal favorite) and deadly violence against those of other faiths.
When they clean up their act and demonstrate they are able to live peacefully among those of other faiths, including judaism, perhaps then they can be accepted as civilized neighbors.
Anyone who believes Islam does not have both a social and political agenda for forced radical change is naive in the extreme.
Islam has a dedicated, irrefutable and unrelenting history of gross discrimination against and horrible treatment of women, religious intolerance, execution without trial of those living "alternative" lifestyles (always a liberal favorite) and deadly violence against those of other faiths.
When they clean up their act and demonstrate they are able to live peacefully among those of other faiths, including judaism, perhaps then they can be accepted as civilized neighbors.
By: publius on 6/21/10
It is frightening to have this conversation.
I know Muslims who are good decent people, but there are leaders of their faith that have called for death to those who draw cartoons,and I do not hear the faithful speak out against this. There was a great push back to have the religious theme park here. Murfreesboro need to push back on this too. I am not a religious person and I am usually very progressive, but I would have to say no to this in my back yard.
That is not bigotry it is common sense.
It is frightening to have this conversation.
I know Muslims who are good decent people, but there are leaders of their faith that have called for death to those who draw cartoons,and I do not hear the faithful speak out against this. There was a great push back to have the religious theme park here. Murfreesboro need to push back on this too. I am not a religious person and I am usually very progressive, but I would have to say no to this in my back yard.
That is not bigotry it is common sense.
By: Gwendolyn on 6/21/10
Mr Bahloul made comments to the DNJ. He is either not informed or misrepresenting the facts. When you do a reverse phone # search for 615-890-1551 you get ICOM and Al-iman Masjed both located at 862 Middle TN Blvd. Google: Al-iman masjed
Why can’t they use our cemeteries, schools, parks and gym facilities? Don’t they taxes to support these facilities? Don’t we have laws that require embalming of the dead in this state? If you do a real estate tax search on Veals Road, you will see approximately fourteen pieces of property that appear to be owned by Muslins. The local people probably did not start this; however, Al-iman, a WORLD WIDE well organized and financed Muslin organization has “chosen” us. Why?
Mr Bahloul made comments to the DNJ. He is either not informed or misrepresenting the facts. When you do a reverse phone # search for 615-890-1551 you get ICOM and Al-iman Masjed both located at 862 Middle TN Blvd. Google: Al-iman masjed
Why can’t they use our cemeteries, schools, parks and gym facilities? Don’t they taxes to support these facilities? Don’t we have laws that require embalming of the dead in this state? If you do a real estate tax search on Veals Road, you will see approximately fourteen pieces of property that appear to be owned by Muslins. The local people probably did not start this; however, Al-iman, a WORLD WIDE well organized and financed Muslin organization has “chosen” us. Why?
By: mokasz on 6/21/10
It is no one's business if they want to use their own schools, or their own cemeteries. Jews and catholics have their own schools, and their own cemeteries. If some white bigots don't like this fact, they can go back to whatever pig farms they came from in Europe....
It is no one's business if they want to use their own schools, or their own cemeteries. Jews and catholics have their own schools, and their own cemeteries. If some white bigots don't like this fact, they can go back to whatever pig farms they came from in Europe....
By: Gwendolyn on 6/21/10
I’m going to answer my own question - I suspect the reason Al-iman has chosen Murfreesboro for this large advancement of their cause in Middle TN is this: They consider us to be ignorant, southern, Bible thumping rednecks who do not have any knowledge of their real agenda and are too dumb to investigate. I fear they may be correct in their accessment of our capabilities in those areas. I do not believe they have raised $570,000 from their small group. The Quran encourages them to lie when it advances their cause. They purchased the property on Veals Road, 11/13/2009, price $320,000. The building will probably cost at least $8M. Can 200 – 250 local Muslim families afford that and why do they even need a facility of this size?
I’m going to answer my own question - I suspect the reason Al-iman has chosen Murfreesboro for this large advancement of their cause in Middle TN is this: They consider us to be ignorant, southern, Bible thumping rednecks who do not have any knowledge of their real agenda and are too dumb to investigate. I fear they may be correct in their accessment of our capabilities in those areas. I do not believe they have raised $570,000 from their small group. The Quran encourages them to lie when it advances their cause. They purchased the property on Veals Road, 11/13/2009, price $320,000. The building will probably cost at least $8M. Can 200 – 250 local Muslim families afford that and why do they even need a facility of this size?
By: mokasz on 6/21/10
It is incredible how dumb and bigots the bible belt states are. For 200 years, muslims have been living and working in america in complete peace. And now, many of you stupid rednecks believe that 2% of the population want to take over America. That only proves that your are cowards and ignorant. And by the way, the Bible is the most violent book ever writen...
It is incredible how dumb and bigots the bible belt states are. For 200 years, muslims have been living and working in america in complete peace. And now, many of you stupid rednecks believe that 2% of the population want to take over America. That only proves that your are cowards and ignorant. And by the way, the Bible is the most violent book ever writen...
By: nkfro on 6/21/10
This country was founded to promote religious freedom. Isn't it interesting that the very people that cry out loudest when they feel that their religion 'under attack' - namely Christians - insist upon limiting the freedom of other religions to even exist.
And Christians wonder why they come under such scrutiny. It is exactly this that caused me to walk away from Christianity.
This country was founded to promote religious freedom. Isn't it interesting that the very people that cry out loudest when they feel that their religion 'under attack' - namely Christians - insist upon limiting the freedom of other religions to even exist.
And Christians wonder why they come under such scrutiny. It is exactly this that caused me to walk away from Christianity.
By: Gwendolyn on 6/21/10
If you folks could stop snipping at each other and arguing about things that have nothing to do with anything worthwhile, to take a minute to Google:
Al-iman Murfreesboro
Victor Mordecai
You might learn something that has to do with the issue. No one really likes or respects hateful and unpleasant people and NOTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED. Alan Jackson is trying to do what he knows in his heart and mind is the right thing. It’s his Christian duty and it took courage. If you do not attend WOC on a fairly regular basis, you are not qualified to comment. Where are all the other pastors???
If you folks could stop snipping at each other and arguing about things that have nothing to do with anything worthwhile, to take a minute to Google:
Al-iman Murfreesboro
Victor Mordecai
You might learn something that has to do with the issue. No one really likes or respects hateful and unpleasant people and NOTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED. Alan Jackson is trying to do what he knows in his heart and mind is the right thing. It’s his Christian duty and it took courage. If you do not attend WOC on a fairly regular basis, you are not qualified to comment. Where are all the other pastors???
By: Gunnar on 6/21/10
Dear Chucklehead: I Confess you caught me out. I am a Hypocrite & a sinner. I also read the whole book more than once. Yes, the KJV bible says all you wrote. Why didn't you quote the rest? The Second half, The New Testament changes the rules. Check it out, don't trust a Texan or a hypocrite. Be like you are from Missouri. You can also check out what major Christian leaders say about your quotes. Billy Gramham, the Pope and others.
If most Christians were talking and acting like Mainstream Islam, I would not want them around like you. After all those reports of Christian gangs rioting & burning cars in France. And those critics of Islam in Europe just happening to be murdered by Muslim people. Just look at the love the Muslim Brotherhood demonstrates to the native Christian community in Egypt and Palestine. Do Not Take My Word. Read their book and their leaders words. This is on line. Just look at the relgious freedom in Muslim countries. I am just a Redneck, Texan Hypocrite. You might try reading the whole KJV Bible also.
Dear Chucklehead: I Confess you caught me out. I am a Hypocrite & a sinner. I also read the whole book more than once. Yes, the KJV bible says all you wrote. Why didn't you quote the rest? The Second half, The New Testament changes the rules. Check it out, don't trust a Texan or a hypocrite. Be like you are from Missouri. You can also check out what major Christian leaders say about your quotes. Billy Gramham, the Pope and others.
If most Christians were talking and acting like Mainstream Islam, I would not want them around like you. After all those reports of Christian gangs rioting & burning cars in France. And those critics of Islam in Europe just happening to be murdered by Muslim people. Just look at the love the Muslim Brotherhood demonstrates to the native Christian community in Egypt and Palestine. Do Not Take My Word. Read their book and their leaders words. This is on line. Just look at the relgious freedom in Muslim countries. I am just a Redneck, Texan Hypocrite. You might try reading the whole KJV Bible also.
By: SocEtTuem on 6/22/10
Are Christians blowing up buses and bombing London subways? Are Hindus flying airplanes into occupied buildings? Are Jews planting bombs in Times Square? Are Buddhists hanging seven year old boys for allegedly spying? Nope. These are all activities that can be traced back to a single source: Islam. I suggest those who wish to be PC take another look and I would suggest to mokasz that it is those who murder in the name of their god who should return to the abyss from whence they came.
Are Christians blowing up buses and bombing London subways? Are Hindus flying airplanes into occupied buildings? Are Jews planting bombs in Times Square? Are Buddhists hanging seven year old boys for allegedly spying? Nope. These are all activities that can be traced back to a single source: Islam. I suggest those who wish to be PC take another look and I would suggest to mokasz that it is those who murder in the name of their god who should return to the abyss from whence they came.
By: gynoceros on 6/24/10
Let's not forget The All-American Terrorist team: Timothy McVeigh. Eric Rudolph. Stephen Kazmierczak. Ted Kaczynski.
Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American Christian. Jesus taught us to love unconditionally. All that fire and brimstone/eye-for-an-eye business is sooo Old Testament.
Let's not forget The All-American Terrorist team: Timothy McVeigh. Eric Rudolph. Stephen Kazmierczak. Ted Kaczynski.
Some of you people make me ashamed to be an American Christian. Jesus taught us to love unconditionally. All that fire and brimstone/eye-for-an-eye business is sooo Old Testament.
By: kryannp on 6/24/10
SocEtTuem: Christians are blowing up buses and killing people. Just a fun fact but the most violent prisioners in prision are Radical Christians. Hindus are killing people. Jews are killing people. Buddhists are killing people. All kinds of people kill other people! ALL KINDS. Only radical Muslims are violent but so are radical Chrsitians and Jews. And anyone who is a radical is bad.
SocEtTuem: Christians are blowing up buses and killing people. Just a fun fact but the most violent prisioners in prision are Radical Christians. Hindus are killing people. Jews are killing people. Buddhists are killing people. All kinds of people kill other people! ALL KINDS. Only radical Muslims are violent but so are radical Chrsitians and Jews. And anyone who is a radical is bad.
By: caronhalt on 6/24/10
kryannp - Facts, show some facts. What you say is simply not true.
kryannp - Facts, show some facts. What you say is simply not true.
By: caronhalt on 6/24/10
Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?
Because they don’t.
Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not have said, Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he was an atheist). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for God.
The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members who have no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do - and this is what makes it a very different matter.
Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves choose to make.
Muslims who compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other religions to religious terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are comparing apples to oranges.
Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as Muslims enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There have been six deadly attacks over a 36 year period in the U.S. Eight people died. This is an average of one death every 4.5 years.
By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.
In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and tolerance for a radical clergy that supports the terror.
Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?
Because they don’t.
Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not have said, Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he was an atheist). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for God.
The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members who have no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do - and this is what makes it a very different matter.
Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves choose to make.
Muslims who compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other religions to religious terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are comparing apples to oranges.
Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as Muslims enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There have been six deadly attacks over a 36 year period in the U.S. Eight people died. This is an average of one death every 4.5 years.
By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.
In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and tolerance for a radical clergy that supports the terror.
By: Formalogia on 6/27/10
"Residents express concerns over new Islamic Community Center"
Is it an 'Islamic center' or an 'Islamic community center,' as cited in June 20th's Sunday edition, or can we just call it what it is? A Muslim Mosque.
Would you Muslims oppose a Jewish Community Center? No, you say? Maybe not in Middle TN but what if it was being proposed in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia? Or Tehran? You'd scream bloody shiria.
Let us keep our prospective. This is America, a country founded on Judeo/Christian beliefs and, yes, we are tolerant of other religions- but this Mosque is a direct and intentional placement of what will become a shiria stronghold in the heart of Tennessee, almost on the very geographical center of our state. That didn't happen by coincidence.
Muslims don’t want to set up a peaceful presence in Murfreesboro; they want to found the beginning of the downfall of the United States and its way of life, its belief system and very essence here.
"Residents express concerns over new Islamic Community Center"
Is it an 'Islamic center' or an 'Islamic community center,' as cited in June 20th's Sunday edition, or can we just call it what it is? A Muslim Mosque.
Would you Muslims oppose a Jewish Community Center? No, you say? Maybe not in Middle TN but what if it was being proposed in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia? Or Tehran? You'd scream bloody shiria.
Let us keep our prospective. This is America, a country founded on Judeo/Christian beliefs and, yes, we are tolerant of other religions- but this Mosque is a direct and intentional placement of what will become a shiria stronghold in the heart of Tennessee, almost on the very geographical center of our state. That didn't happen by coincidence.
Muslims don’t want to set up a peaceful presence in Murfreesboro; they want to found the beginning of the downfall of the United States and its way of life, its belief system and very essence here.
By: Formalogia on 6/27/10
kryannp- if all humans are violent regardless of religion then why bring it up in your argument? It's a zero sum balance.
kryannp- if all humans are violent regardless of religion then why bring it up in your argument? It's a zero sum balance.
By: Formalogia on 6/27/10
By: gynoceros on 6/24/10
Let's not forget The All-American Terrorist team: Timothy McVeigh. Eric Rudolph. Stephen Kazmierczak. Ted Kaczynski.
Add Major Nidal Malik Hasan to your list of 'The All-American Terrorist' Americans.
And that NY Times Square guy, Faisal Shahzad, who 'showed no remorse for the attempted bombing, telling the court that he considered himself a "Muslim soldier"' according to Al jazeera.
By: gynoceros on 6/24/10
Let's not forget The All-American Terrorist team: Timothy McVeigh. Eric Rudolph. Stephen Kazmierczak. Ted Kaczynski.
Add Major Nidal Malik Hasan to your list of 'The All-American Terrorist' Americans.
And that NY Times Square guy, Faisal Shahzad, who 'showed no remorse for the attempted bombing, telling the court that he considered himself a "Muslim soldier"' according to Al jazeera.
By: redwing on 7/18/10
To the people Murfreeboro and all citizens of the great state of Tennessee,URGE Governor Bredesen to BAN ISLAM MUSLIM SHARIAH LAW.It's that important!!!!
To the people Murfreeboro and all citizens of the great state of Tennessee,URGE Governor Bredesen to BAN ISLAM MUSLIM SHARIAH LAW.It's that important!!!!
By: love_conquers_hate on 7/27/10
@chucklehead - There is no 19th chapter of Mark, only 16. What is the correct reference? What is the context of the statement?
If Murfreesboro does not yet have a noise ordinance, one should be adopted ASAP if the call to prayer is a concern. From my personal experience, it is very stressful to be awoken at 4:00 a.m. every day by someone singing badly in a foreign language into a bad PA system broadcasting at an extremely high volume.
@chucklehead - There is no 19th chapter of Mark, only 16. What is the correct reference? What is the context of the statement?
If Murfreesboro does not yet have a noise ordinance, one should be adopted ASAP if the call to prayer is a concern. From my personal experience, it is very stressful to be awoken at 4:00 a.m. every day by someone singing badly in a foreign language into a bad PA system broadcasting at an extremely high volume.
By: caronhalt on 8/2/10
I would like to point to the massacre at Fort Hood as a consequence of America’s failure to understand Islam
I would like to point to the massacre at Fort Hood as a consequence of America’s failure to understand Islam
By: AnotherOption on 8/14/10
Derptacular wow, dude, are you sure you're not guilty of the same charge you broad-brush anyone who questions the mosque... you're a hypocrite...
and you certainly are not "PROFILING" are you?
don't you just want to go out and kill any white redneck you see - it's really what you wt to do but are filled with so much hate you just can't spit it out...
what a moron.
and you don't even see it... funny
"By: Derptacular on 6/19/10
Southern redneck christians really are too stupid to even make fun of, they just wouldn't get it.
Here's an idea for you souless ego maniacs:
Just start killing everyone you see that isn't a white redneck republican wannabe. That's what you want even though you won't spit it out. You hate people for their religion and race then pretend you are only interested in protecting your community which is a total lie. All you care about is yourselves, but you are too stupid to know that is what you really think.
You don't have a christian bone in your body but you use your " christianity" as a disguise to pretend to have ethics. The truth is you have never known what ethics are, they weren't properly taught to you so it's not too hard to understand why you've become such a hateful person. I feel sorry for the people that live there that will get unjustly branded ignorant for your idiotic statements and actions, but I guess they could just move the heck out of there, like I did. "
Derptacular wow, dude, are you sure you're not guilty of the same charge you broad-brush anyone who questions the mosque... you're a hypocrite...
and you certainly are not "PROFILING" are you?
don't you just want to go out and kill any white redneck you see - it's really what you wt to do but are filled with so much hate you just can't spit it out...
what a moron.
and you don't even see it... funny
"By: Derptacular on 6/19/10
Southern redneck christians really are too stupid to even make fun of, they just wouldn't get it.
Here's an idea for you souless ego maniacs:
Just start killing everyone you see that isn't a white redneck republican wannabe. That's what you want even though you won't spit it out. You hate people for their religion and race then pretend you are only interested in protecting your community which is a total lie. All you care about is yourselves, but you are too stupid to know that is what you really think.
You don't have a christian bone in your body but you use your " christianity" as a disguise to pretend to have ethics. The truth is you have never known what ethics are, they weren't properly taught to you so it's not too hard to understand why you've become such a hateful person. I feel sorry for the people that live there that will get unjustly branded ignorant for your idiotic statements and actions, but I guess they could just move the heck out of there, like I did. "
By: AnotherOption on 8/14/10
mokasz,
do some fact-checking and you'll see McCarthy was proved correct... there has since been many documents that have proven many actual communists operatives in our gov't... but since it's hard to tell a commie from a progressive lib (and since the media is like Yoda riding the back of Luke in his training) you'll never hear about it.. unless you go do some research...
you're too clever by half...
mokasz,
do some fact-checking and you'll see McCarthy was proved correct... there has since been many documents that have proven many actual communists operatives in our gov't... but since it's hard to tell a commie from a progressive lib (and since the media is like Yoda riding the back of Luke in his training) you'll never hear about it.. unless you go do some research...
you're too clever by half...
By: AnotherOption on 8/14/10
kryannp, all those other religious folks killing people... they might be so... but they aren't doing it in the name of their religion... ever heard any of those so called killers screaming 'Ala Akbah' (sp) before they killed someone... poor analogy
kryannp, all those other religious folks killing people... they might be so... but they aren't doing it in the name of their religion... ever heard any of those so called killers screaming 'Ala Akbah' (sp) before they killed someone... poor analogy
By: TNDefender on 9/26/10
Touche Abdulameer! You have touch the heart of the REAL matter here in Murfreesboro. I live less than a mile(really closer) to Veals Rd and I know my house value has dropped now that people know the Muslims are moving in. Have you watched on YouTube: Orlando Busted? If you haven't you should. These mosque are supporting Hamas and the Moslim Brotherhood. Watch: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXFYH5ckDKQ Islam is NOT a religion that coexists, its sole purpose is to dominate the social and political lives of the nations it inhabits. Islam is incompatible with the U.S. constitution. One thing for sure, Murfreesboro, those who are NOT willing to speak up for the fear of being called a 'Racist' or 'Bigot' or an 'Islamophobe' or afraid of losing their prestigious jobs, should be discharged from their offices immediately. Mosque train muslims to infiltrate, overwhelm, subjugate and then the final quest will be to DEVOUR non-muslims. They chose Murfreesboro for their site because of MTSU and being the CENTER of TN. The infiltration of our children to promote Jihad scares me. I'm doing what I can to stop this evil from being in my neighborhood and the Islamic Training Camp in Dover, TN also. Islam has distroyed EVERY civilization it touched and brought misery, poverty, ignorance and WAR in every country that it invades. Say NO to the proposed Murfreesboro Mosque!
Touche Abdulameer! You have touch the heart of the REAL matter here in Murfreesboro. I live less than a mile(really closer) to Veals Rd and I know my house value has dropped now that people know the Muslims are moving in. Have you watched on YouTube: Orlando Busted? If you haven't you should. These mosque are supporting Hamas and the Moslim Brotherhood. Watch: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXFYH5ckDKQ Islam is NOT a religion that coexists, its sole purpose is to dominate the social and political lives of the nations it inhabits. Islam is incompatible with the U.S. constitution. One thing for sure, Murfreesboro, those who are NOT willing to speak up for the fear of being called a 'Racist' or 'Bigot' or an 'Islamophobe' or afraid of losing their prestigious jobs, should be discharged from their offices immediately. Mosque train muslims to infiltrate, overwhelm, subjugate and then the final quest will be to DEVOUR non-muslims. They chose Murfreesboro for their site because of MTSU and being the CENTER of TN. The infiltration of our children to promote Jihad scares me. I'm doing what I can to stop this evil from being in my neighborhood and the Islamic Training Camp in Dover, TN also. Islam has distroyed EVERY civilization it touched and brought misery, poverty, ignorance and WAR in every country that it invades. Say NO to the proposed Murfreesboro Mosque!
By: lickielou on 9/4/11
What to say? I know I'm late to the punch here, but it seems as though everyone has forgotten why this country became to be. It was not just taxes from England. America was settled by people looking for religious freedom. My ancestor came here with William Penn in 1682. All of you say Islam is not a religion, here's two religions that we recognize today: Quaker was not considered a religion, mormon was not considered a religion. Not only are these religions, they are a way of life. A lot of posters here say Buddhism is a religion. It is not. Buddhism is a way of life, that is what it also means to be Islamic. Wether you agree with their way of life or not is and should always be an opinion. Just as mormons who practice the "true way". Taking multiple wives and following Youngs way. Practicing Quakers also do not celebrate christmas, easter and so on they Christians or Catholics do. The people we are fighting are NOT of true muslim faith. They are extremist who have enterpretted the Quaran in their own self obsorbed way. Tell me was the bombing of Oklahoma city done by a person of Islam? No. Was the Unibomber a Muslim? NO! Throughout history there are extremist, it is ignorance that does not seperate. A Mosque is a place of worship, that is all. Yes, some have used them to hold their "private" plannings. But answer me this, how many "christians" have used their place of worship to plan bombings on abortion centers? How many of these "god loving people" have used houses of worship to take money from the poor, sick, elderly in exchange for false promises? I.e., Baker, catholic priests, I could go on.... It is time people stop judging and remember why this country was settled to begin with. Freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of a way of life(even though you may not like it), FREEDOM NOT TO BE JUDGED! BTW, grew up quaker, now I practice Buddhism. And yes we have a way of life--it's called the four truths, just like islam provides guidance so does Buddhism, wait.... doesn't the Christian, Catholic and Jewish faiths also provide guidance? A "way" of life? I guess they are not religions either than, huh?
What to say? I know I'm late to the punch here, but it seems as though everyone has forgotten why this country became to be. It was not just taxes from England. America was settled by people looking for religious freedom. My ancestor came here with William Penn in 1682. All of you say Islam is not a religion, here's two religions that we recognize today: Quaker was not considered a religion, mormon was not considered a religion. Not only are these religions, they are a way of life. A lot of posters here say Buddhism is a religion. It is not. Buddhism is a way of life, that is what it also means to be Islamic. Wether you agree with their way of life or not is and should always be an opinion. Just as mormons who practice the "true way". Taking multiple wives and following Youngs way. Practicing Quakers also do not celebrate christmas, easter and so on they Christians or Catholics do. The people we are fighting are NOT of true muslim faith. They are extremist who have enterpretted the Quaran in their own self obsorbed way. Tell me was the bombing of Oklahoma city done by a person of Islam? No. Was the Unibomber a Muslim? NO! Throughout history there are extremist, it is ignorance that does not seperate. A Mosque is a place of worship, that is all. Yes, some have used them to hold their "private" plannings. But answer me this, how many "christians" have used their place of worship to plan bombings on abortion centers? How many of these "god loving people" have used houses of worship to take money from the poor, sick, elderly in exchange for false promises? I.e., Baker, catholic priests, I could go on.... It is time people stop judging and remember why this country was settled to begin with. Freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of a way of life(even though you may not like it), FREEDOM NOT TO BE JUDGED! BTW, grew up quaker, now I practice Buddhism. And yes we have a way of life--it's called the four truths, just like islam provides guidance so does Buddhism, wait.... doesn't the Christian, Catholic and Jewish faiths also provide guidance? A "way" of life? I guess they are not religions either than, huh?
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