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By: lupusman on 9/7/08
There are any things that can be done to improve the traffic conditions in Mboro. Many of us have submitted suggestions that are clearly beneficial and low cost and they seem go to deaf ears. Even with the new I-24 interchanges, the traffic on Old Fort Pkwy in getting worse. Why not expand that road from Salem road to I-24 from 2 to 3 lanes on each side. There is adequate room to do that with the wide median available. Also we build a large new shopping complex, The Avenue, and only have one left turn lane at the North Thompson lane - Medical Center Pkwy intersection. Often the left turn traffic is backed up 20+ cars. And the nightmare of getting in and out of Amory drive onto Thompson Lane! Overall traffic planning over the last 10 years would get a D- grade!
There are any things that can be done to improve the traffic conditions in Mboro. Many of us have submitted suggestions that are clearly beneficial and low cost and they seem go to deaf ears. Even with the new I-24 interchanges, the traffic on Old Fort Pkwy in getting worse. Why not expand that road from Salem road to I-24 from 2 to 3 lanes on each side. There is adequate room to do that with the wide median available. Also we build a large new shopping complex, The Avenue, and only have one left turn lane at the North Thompson lane - Medical Center Pkwy intersection. Often the left turn traffic is backed up 20+ cars. And the nightmare of getting in and out of Amory drive onto Thompson Lane! Overall traffic planning over the last 10 years would get a D- grade!
By: Macgyver on 9/7/08
It'll be interesting when the "kickbacks" come to light. There is still no point for these camera systems.
It'll be interesting when the "kickbacks" come to light. There is still no point for these camera systems.
By: diddlede on 9/7/08
Traffic conditions have never been a strong suit with the City of Murfreesboro. No one seems to think ahead any further than their nose. Everyone knew that the camera deal was only for the revenue. However, as time goes by maybe, just maybe, they can save a life. Looks like those people who run red lights are going to continue to do so even if they are caught on camera. Too bad!
Traffic conditions have never been a strong suit with the City of Murfreesboro. No one seems to think ahead any further than their nose. Everyone knew that the camera deal was only for the revenue. However, as time goes by maybe, just maybe, they can save a life. Looks like those people who run red lights are going to continue to do so even if they are caught on camera. Too bad!
By: Hayburner on 9/7/08
Cameras will never stop the people who run 6 seconds late. And those "late runners" are the guys who cause the horrible accidents. So, how do you stop them?
Most of them run late because they don't see the signal. Some don't see the signal because they are lost or unfamiliar with the neighborhood. For them, you need to improve intersection markings. 2005 research by Florida's Dept. of Transportation found that improving markings near intersections reduced red light running by up to 74% without increasing the likelihood of rear end collisions. (Source: http://thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/05-simulator.pdf at p. 69)
Some don't see the signal because they are intoxicated or otherwise incapacitated. It takes "live" cops to get them off the street.
It would be interesting for the Post to find out into which of the two categories above the driver who hit the two other cars falls.
How do you cut the rest of the running, where the average late time is 1/2 second? You lengthen the yellow. A. Increasing yellows by 0.5 sec. yields a 69% drop in violations. (Source: http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-06242004-230619/unrestricted/Thesis_3.pdf Fig. 4.1 on p. 67)
And lengthening the yellows is cheap to do all over town - reducing running everywhere, not just at "camera" intersections. (Source: Also see http://thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp (Roundup))
Longer yellows reduce severe accidents. A 2004 study by the Texas Trans. Inst. found "...an increase in the yellow duration of 1.0 sec. is associated with a [crash freq.] of about 0.6, which corresponds to a 40% reduction in crashes." (Source: http://thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/04-alternatives.pdf Fig. 2-8 on p. 2-20)
(Whenever someone suggests lengthening the yellows, someone else will say, "Drivers will just get used to the longer yellows, and run those, too!" Actually, the running stays down. It does not "rebound." In Mesa, Arizona, they increased the yellows by 1 second in late 2000, and running dropped to 1/3 of what it had been, and stayed down. See the table: (Source: http://www.highwayrobbery.net/redlightcamsdocsMesaMain.html))
Finally, a word for those who think they're above all this: Get out your wallet! You need to buy a $300 system to warn you of upcoming camera enforced locations. Why?
The drivers in front of you will be exhibiting unexpected behavior, like slamming on their brakes on a brand new yellow. The warning will save you from rear-ending them - an accident for which the law would automatically hold you responsible.
Hay
Cameras will never stop the people who run 6 seconds late. And those "late runners" are the guys who cause the horrible accidents. So, how do you stop them?
Most of them run late because they don't see the signal. Some don't see the signal because they are lost or unfamiliar with the neighborhood. For them, you need to improve intersection markings. 2005 research by Florida's Dept. of Transportation found that improving markings near intersections reduced red light running by up to 74% without increasing the likelihood of rear end collisions. (Source: http://thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/05-simulator.pdf at p. 69)
Some don't see the signal because they are intoxicated or otherwise incapacitated. It takes "live" cops to get them off the street.
It would be interesting for the Post to find out into which of the two categories above the driver who hit the two other cars falls.
How do you cut the rest of the running, where the average late time is 1/2 second? You lengthen the yellow. A. Increasing yellows by 0.5 sec. yields a 69% drop in violations. (Source: http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-06242004-230619/unrestricted/Thesis_3.pdf Fig. 4.1 on p. 67)
And lengthening the yellows is cheap to do all over town - reducing running everywhere, not just at "camera" intersections. (Source: Also see http://thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp (Roundup))
Longer yellows reduce severe accidents. A 2004 study by the Texas Trans. Inst. found "...an increase in the yellow duration of 1.0 sec. is associated with a [crash freq.] of about 0.6, which corresponds to a 40% reduction in crashes." (Source: http://thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/04-alternatives.pdf Fig. 2-8 on p. 2-20)
(Whenever someone suggests lengthening the yellows, someone else will say, "Drivers will just get used to the longer yellows, and run those, too!" Actually, the running stays down. It does not "rebound." In Mesa, Arizona, they increased the yellows by 1 second in late 2000, and running dropped to 1/3 of what it had been, and stayed down. See the table: (Source: http://www.highwayrobbery.net/redlightcamsdocsMesaMain.html))
Finally, a word for those who think they're above all this: Get out your wallet! You need to buy a $300 system to warn you of upcoming camera enforced locations. Why?
The drivers in front of you will be exhibiting unexpected behavior, like slamming on their brakes on a brand new yellow. The warning will save you from rear-ending them - an accident for which the law would automatically hold you responsible.
Hay
By: lightchick on 9/7/08
This is unscientific....but I drive a lot in town each day. Before the cameras, I would see a minimum of three red light runners per day during my lunch hour. Since the cameras I see probably three a week.
This is unscientific....but I drive a lot in town each day. Before the cameras, I would see a minimum of three red light runners per day during my lunch hour. Since the cameras I see probably three a week.
By: Admiral on 9/7/08
Park a Radio Car with an officer in each intersection and watch the number decrease.
Park a Radio Car with an officer in each intersection and watch the number decrease.
By: barrettbear on 9/7/08
I wonder if the city,county and state could pair up to patrol these country back ass roads? Especially Barfield Crescent. Tailgaters and speeders from start to go.
I wonder if the city,county and state could pair up to patrol these country back ass roads? Especially Barfield Crescent. Tailgaters and speeders from start to go.
By: spook on 9/7/08
I would love to see some hidden cameras at the intersections of Joe B. and Elam Road and County Farm and East County Farm by the tracks. Very few even slow down at those stop signs. I've had folks blow around me because I DID stop! Doesn't anyone in this county know what STOP means?
I would love to see some hidden cameras at the intersections of Joe B. and Elam Road and County Farm and East County Farm by the tracks. Very few even slow down at those stop signs. I've had folks blow around me because I DID stop! Doesn't anyone in this county know what STOP means?
By: cmac on 9/8/08
Camera, or no camera.
When your light turns "GREEN", count to 10, look left and right, then slowly move forward.
If you observe an uncontrolled idiot, in a hurry...stop! Uncontrolled idiots are out of control. Cameras make no difference to uncontrolled idiots. Cameras are for collecting fines.
If the person behind you blows his/her obnoxious idiot horn - smile, wait, and know, that you are the one in control of the Murfreesboro idiot intersection.
If necessary, wait for your next "green" light.
Repeat the above instructions, as necessary.
Do not depend on government to save you from red light running idiots.
Cameras are only fine... for fines.
Camera, or no camera.
When your light turns "GREEN", count to 10, look left and right, then slowly move forward.
If you observe an uncontrolled idiot, in a hurry...stop! Uncontrolled idiots are out of control. Cameras make no difference to uncontrolled idiots. Cameras are for collecting fines.
If the person behind you blows his/her obnoxious idiot horn - smile, wait, and know, that you are the one in control of the Murfreesboro idiot intersection.
If necessary, wait for your next "green" light.
Repeat the above instructions, as necessary.
Do not depend on government to save you from red light running idiots.
Cameras are only fine... for fines.
By: Singhey616 on 9/11/08
How come I see the flash of the camera's and some times I don't?
How come I see the flash of the camera's and some times I don't?
By: jessicalovegirl on 9/25/08
This is unscientific, but I drive a lot in town as well. Before the cameras, I would see a minimum of three red light runners per day during my lunch hour. Since the cameras I see, you guessed it, exactly the same amount of red light runners. The cameras aren't here to collect a profit. The fines only produce enough money to cover the cost of the whole system. This is obvious because the fines are only 50 bucks! What a joke! Of course nobody is heeding the new cameras, cause the only punishment is a slap on the wrist. If there was a normal amount of money being charged, like a hundred or two hundred dollars, then maybe people would think twice about doing their usual flying through the intersection no matter what color the light is. i shouldn't be surprised, though. The freaking cops set the trend for running red lights and disobeying any and ALL laws in this country but especially this town. If they don't give a hoot about the law, why should anybody else?
This is unscientific, but I drive a lot in town as well. Before the cameras, I would see a minimum of three red light runners per day during my lunch hour. Since the cameras I see, you guessed it, exactly the same amount of red light runners. The cameras aren't here to collect a profit. The fines only produce enough money to cover the cost of the whole system. This is obvious because the fines are only 50 bucks! What a joke! Of course nobody is heeding the new cameras, cause the only punishment is a slap on the wrist. If there was a normal amount of money being charged, like a hundred or two hundred dollars, then maybe people would think twice about doing their usual flying through the intersection no matter what color the light is. i shouldn't be surprised, though. The freaking cops set the trend for running red lights and disobeying any and ALL laws in this country but especially this town. If they don't give a hoot about the law, why should anybody else?
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