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By: Wil2hike on 3/2/09
So cutting 32-40 "temporary" professors saves 2.9 million? Temporary professors are paid an average of $72,500.00? What does a tenured prof make? I'm beginning to see why tution is growing....wow
So cutting 32-40 "temporary" professors saves 2.9 million? Temporary professors are paid an average of $72,500.00? What does a tenured prof make? I'm beginning to see why tution is growing....wow
By: RonB on 3/2/09
Wil2hike, my neighbor is a retired prof. He has a saying: "If the taxpayer only knew".
Wil2hike, my neighbor is a retired prof. He has a saying: "If the taxpayer only knew".
By: les6216 on 3/2/09
Aren't we trying to get a badly needed Science building? If so, then why are 2 of the 4 departments being eliminated in the Science areas? It is extremely short-sighted to do away with science and math majors/ departments and still hope to produce a well-educated graduate who may go on to professional degrees. Our local economy will never attract high-tech, science & math-based companies if we do not have the labor force to work in these types of jobs. While my degree is in health sciences, I would think that you need strong science departments--physics and geosciences--to educate students in "green" technology, which Tennessee is trying so hard to attract. I can't imagine the largest public university in Tennessee without a Physics department.
Aren't we trying to get a badly needed Science building? If so, then why are 2 of the 4 departments being eliminated in the Science areas? It is extremely short-sighted to do away with science and math majors/ departments and still hope to produce a well-educated graduate who may go on to professional degrees. Our local economy will never attract high-tech, science & math-based companies if we do not have the labor force to work in these types of jobs. While my degree is in health sciences, I would think that you need strong science departments--physics and geosciences--to educate students in "green" technology, which Tennessee is trying so hard to attract. I can't imagine the largest public university in Tennessee without a Physics department.
By: barrettbear on 3/2/09
That is funny you stated what you did les216, maybe the county schools could do away with science, history, and math. Then look at what we will have at graduation. I have to side with our president when he says it is time the ceos of companies stop using funds to pad their paychecks, pay for those private jets and fancy drapes in the office and use the taxpayer money where it is needed. The time will come for them to make their money.
That is funny you stated what you did les216, maybe the county schools could do away with science, history, and math. Then look at what we will have at graduation. I have to side with our president when he says it is time the ceos of companies stop using funds to pad their paychecks, pay for those private jets and fancy drapes in the office and use the taxpayer money where it is needed. The time will come for them to make their money.
By: Farmall on 3/3/09
Enrollment is way up. Tuition is way up. So whats wrong with this picture. Should the money from tuition be funding the university. Or does it go into the states general fund to be spread all over. Something tells me the board of regents isn't laying off.
Enrollment is way up. Tuition is way up. So whats wrong with this picture. Should the money from tuition be funding the university. Or does it go into the states general fund to be spread all over. Something tells me the board of regents isn't laying off.
By: Geowizard on 3/3/09
The admin of MTSU is quick to recommend to cut farm programs and the mass comm programs, but will not mention the athletic programs that are money hogs. Anyone that is a proponent of the athletic departments will always say that the football and basketball programs provide funding for themselves, but they fail to mention the upkeep of stadiums, cleanup from the pregame drinking parties in the grove, work crews for the stadiums and gym, assistants, and other costs. Who pays for security for games? More money from MTSU PD. What about Title 9 scholarships? Everyone forgets that for every male scholarship, there must be a comparable one for women. Are those sports self supporting? I don't think so.
It is time for people who care about MTSU to stand up and be heard. The social dynamics of high school and college still show up today: The athletics get all the attention, and the academics are pushed to the side. If you don't believe me, watch the firestorm that would start if you tried to cut the football and baseball program. Just try to complain to the Administration about the farce of a "dry campus" on game day, when the entire grove turns into a beer garden, and opposing team's fans comment about the drunk crowd, which has the reputation as the worst in the Sunbelt.
Cut the fat, not needed education. I had rather have 10 good ag majors than 100 all conference players that can't complete a sentence. We need to think about the message we are sending to our students.
The admin of MTSU is quick to recommend to cut farm programs and the mass comm programs, but will not mention the athletic programs that are money hogs. Anyone that is a proponent of the athletic departments will always say that the football and basketball programs provide funding for themselves, but they fail to mention the upkeep of stadiums, cleanup from the pregame drinking parties in the grove, work crews for the stadiums and gym, assistants, and other costs. Who pays for security for games? More money from MTSU PD. What about Title 9 scholarships? Everyone forgets that for every male scholarship, there must be a comparable one for women. Are those sports self supporting? I don't think so.
It is time for people who care about MTSU to stand up and be heard. The social dynamics of high school and college still show up today: The athletics get all the attention, and the academics are pushed to the side. If you don't believe me, watch the firestorm that would start if you tried to cut the football and baseball program. Just try to complain to the Administration about the farce of a "dry campus" on game day, when the entire grove turns into a beer garden, and opposing team's fans comment about the drunk crowd, which has the reputation as the worst in the Sunbelt.
Cut the fat, not needed education. I had rather have 10 good ag majors than 100 all conference players that can't complete a sentence. We need to think about the message we are sending to our students.
By: aljo on 3/3/09
If you scanned the report you would see that temporary professors are paid $40K on average (for a heavy teaching load). The report looks at savings from cutting various numbers of temporary profs. The 2.9 million would require letting go far more than 40 temps.
If you scanned the report you would see that temporary professors are paid $40K on average (for a heavy teaching load). The report looks at savings from cutting various numbers of temporary profs. The 2.9 million would require letting go far more than 40 temps.
By: Wil2hike on 3/3/09
aljo - point taken, somewhat..from the report -on page 6- there apprears to be some "new math" calculations "20 temporary faculty x $4,000 = $800,000" but it does apprear that other than this glaring basic math error from our most educated citizens ultimately temp profs do make $40K. Not knowing the workload of a "temproary professor" I won't comment on whether they are underpaid or overpaid. I would ask why there are so many temps and if they are "substituting" for "permanant" professors that remain on the payroll as I know happens in some cases. For the record, I am NOT saying that MTSU is any more or less wasteful than other state institutions (or commercial banks for that matter).
aljo - point taken, somewhat..from the report -on page 6- there apprears to be some "new math" calculations "20 temporary faculty x $4,000 = $800,000" but it does apprear that other than this glaring basic math error from our most educated citizens ultimately temp profs do make $40K. Not knowing the workload of a "temproary professor" I won't comment on whether they are underpaid or overpaid. I would ask why there are so many temps and if they are "substituting" for "permanant" professors that remain on the payroll as I know happens in some cases. For the record, I am NOT saying that MTSU is any more or less wasteful than other state institutions (or commercial banks for that matter).
By: etech30 on 3/3/09
I would think that you need strong science departments--physics and geosciences--to educate students in "green" technology, which Tennessee is trying so hard to attract. I can't imagine the largest public university in Tennessee without a Physics department."
Couldn't have said it better myself....
I would think that you need strong science departments--physics and geosciences--to educate students in "green" technology, which Tennessee is trying so hard to attract. I can't imagine the largest public university in Tennessee without a Physics department."
Couldn't have said it better myself....
By: barrettbear on 3/3/09
I would rather have my farmers educated to grow my food then to be hungry and watch men try to score a point for four quarters.
I would rather have my farmers educated to grow my food then to be hungry and watch men try to score a point for four quarters.
By: Oblio on 3/3/09
With one or two exceptions, the plan calls for firing the lowest paid employees. That probably does not include those who serve the president in catered events in his home and in his suite at the football stadium.
The figure for savings by cutting temp faculty probably includes benefits which can amount to as much as three or four hundred dollars for each thousand dollars of salary. Health insurance is a major component of the benefit package. I assume temps will be replaced by part time adjuncts who are paid far less and who do not receive benefits. Certainly not a move in the direction of quality.
With one or two exceptions, the plan calls for firing the lowest paid employees. That probably does not include those who serve the president in catered events in his home and in his suite at the football stadium.
The figure for savings by cutting temp faculty probably includes benefits which can amount to as much as three or four hundred dollars for each thousand dollars of salary. Health insurance is a major component of the benefit package. I assume temps will be replaced by part time adjuncts who are paid far less and who do not receive benefits. Certainly not a move in the direction of quality.
By: barrettbear on 3/3/09
Just close the campus all up and move to shores abroad. Seems everything else is.
Just close the campus all up and move to shores abroad. Seems everything else is.
By: serr8d on 3/3/09
Heh. Love this...
15. Music
16. Military Science
17. Foreign Lang. and Lit.
18. Speech and Theatre
19. Educational Leadership
20. Health and Human Performance
21. Physics
22. Computer Inform. Syst.
23. Geosciences
24. Political Science
25. Journalism
26. Art
27. Computer Science
28. Engineering Tech.
Music rates above Physics, Computer Science, Engineering Tech.
Pickin' and grinnin'. Must be some powerful tenured profs aboard the Music Department.. )
Heh. Love this...
15. Music
16. Military Science
17. Foreign Lang. and Lit.
18. Speech and Theatre
19. Educational Leadership
20. Health and Human Performance
21. Physics
22. Computer Inform. Syst.
23. Geosciences
24. Political Science
25. Journalism
26. Art
27. Computer Science
28. Engineering Tech.
Music rates above Physics, Computer Science, Engineering Tech.
Pickin' and grinnin'. Must be some powerful tenured profs aboard the Music Department.. )
By: barrettbear on 3/4/09
That serr8d is funny, pickin' and grinnin'.
That serr8d is funny, pickin' and grinnin'.
By: Farmall on 3/6/09
Would suit me just fine to eliminate all the sports from the campus and make it an institution of higher learning. Put the emphasis on that instead of playing ball.
Does MIT have a football team?
Would suit me just fine to eliminate all the sports from the campus and make it an institution of higher learning. Put the emphasis on that instead of playing ball.
Does MIT have a football team?
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