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By: nightwingoracle on 5/15/07
I'd like to see a complete list of everything these developers would be expecting from Murfreesboro and the county before a decision is made. All too often developers promise great tax revenues that are basically spent back on city/county services given to that developer for free or at greatly reduced costs instead of going to education or other services.
I'd like to see a complete list of everything these developers would be expecting from Murfreesboro and the county before a decision is made. All too often developers promise great tax revenues that are basically spent back on city/county services given to that developer for free or at greatly reduced costs instead of going to education or other services.
By: Slavar on 5/16/07
Nightwingoracle, you crazy? Politcos in these parts don't divulge real information! I too would like to see the "business model" that's going to show how all the revenues generated are going to offset our property taxes. Gosh, we'll all probably get rebates.
Ben-Tur has solved our educational problems as well: build "story parks" so you don't have any kids to educate, and give MTSU students valuable skills in fast food hospitality as well as Christmas pageant training.
Ben-Tur also wants the county to pony up our taxes as an "incentive" for his development. If it's such a great idea, he should foot the bill and Rutherford Countians will split net revenues with him on a 50-50 basis!
"Build it and they will come." Show some hard facts, please. Enough of this schmoozing.
Nightwingoracle, you crazy? Politcos in these parts don't divulge real information! I too would like to see the "business model" that's going to show how all the revenues generated are going to offset our property taxes. Gosh, we'll all probably get rebates.
Ben-Tur has solved our educational problems as well: build "story parks" so you don't have any kids to educate, and give MTSU students valuable skills in fast food hospitality as well as Christmas pageant training.
Ben-Tur also wants the county to pony up our taxes as an "incentive" for his development. If it's such a great idea, he should foot the bill and Rutherford Countians will split net revenues with him on a 50-50 basis!
"Build it and they will come." Show some hard facts, please. Enough of this schmoozing.
By: Opining on 5/16/07
Has anyone studied the lessons learned from VisionLand near Birmingham a few years back? A very similar thing was tried (they even bought some of the rides from the failed Opryland). VisionLand failed in a very short time. When the novelty wears off this hokey development (as it did with VisionLand), we will be left with a tremendous eyesore and no means to recoup any funds spent on providing infrastructure. I can't imagine why a developer is willing to throw money at this ridiculous idea but lets not join him. This park is a bad idea!
Has anyone studied the lessons learned from VisionLand near Birmingham a few years back? A very similar thing was tried (they even bought some of the rides from the failed Opryland). VisionLand failed in a very short time. When the novelty wears off this hokey development (as it did with VisionLand), we will be left with a tremendous eyesore and no means to recoup any funds spent on providing infrastructure. I can't imagine why a developer is willing to throw money at this ridiculous idea but lets not join him. This park is a bad idea!
By: nobody on 5/16/07
Opining, the reason he's willing to "throw money at it" is because if he gets his way with tax incentives and sweet heart land deals he'll have made his money up front before the park is even built. Then he'll walk away and let a management company take over the park, whether or not it will or will not make money won't bother him, Ben-Tur will be long gone.
Opining, the reason he's willing to "throw money at it" is because if he gets his way with tax incentives and sweet heart land deals he'll have made his money up front before the park is even built. Then he'll walk away and let a management company take over the park, whether or not it will or will not make money won't bother him, Ben-Tur will be long gone.
By: DMW37128 on 5/16/07
While I opposed to any theme park - Bible based or not, any casino, etc., is Birmingham really a good subject to use? Come on, it is Birmingham some of you keep using - not exactly a tourism area. Murfreesboro is on the fringe of Nashville, a high tourism area.
While I opposed to any theme park - Bible based or not, any casino, etc., is Birmingham really a good subject to use? Come on, it is Birmingham some of you keep using - not exactly a tourism area. Murfreesboro is on the fringe of Nashville, a high tourism area.
By: Opining on 5/16/07
OK. Use Opryland as an example then. It was a "themed" park. Originally country music was the theme. When that wore thin, they canned many of the shows and tried beefing up the rides. That got it through a few more years. A park that appeals to an even narrower market, namely the group who sees the Bible as an avenue for entertainment, has much less of a chance for any kind of success ... even in a high tourism area like ours.
OK. Use Opryland as an example then. It was a "themed" park. Originally country music was the theme. When that wore thin, they canned many of the shows and tried beefing up the rides. That got it through a few more years. A park that appeals to an even narrower market, namely the group who sees the Bible as an avenue for entertainment, has much less of a chance for any kind of success ... even in a high tourism area like ours.
By: peri_winkle on 5/16/07
"Also, the Tennessee Legislature is considering bills to allow the county to establish a tourist development zone."
Make no mistake about it, all this does is empower the county to use any new sales tax revenue FROM this zone FOR this zone, meaning to pay the bills for developing the zone. Without legislation, half the sales tax dollars would be earmarked for schools. Of course, without the legislation, this Boondoggle would not be possible. Specifically, it would not be possible if the developer/owner, rather than the county, had to buy the land.
A perfect example of corporate welfare.
"Also, the Tennessee Legislature is considering bills to allow the county to establish a tourist development zone."
Make no mistake about it, all this does is empower the county to use any new sales tax revenue FROM this zone FOR this zone, meaning to pay the bills for developing the zone. Without legislation, half the sales tax dollars would be earmarked for schools. Of course, without the legislation, this Boondoggle would not be possible. Specifically, it would not be possible if the developer/owner, rather than the county, had to buy the land.
A perfect example of corporate welfare.
By: DMW37128 on 5/16/07
Opining, Opryland was a marketing mistake by Gaylord who built the shopping center. Gaylord is considering attempting to build another theme park.
Gaylord did surveys and one question is what do you do on vacation. Shopping as an answer on the survey numerous times.
So, an accountant concluded people want to go shopping on vacation, thus was born Opry Mills.
Said accountant is no longer with Gaylord.
Opining, Opryland was a marketing mistake by Gaylord who built the shopping center. Gaylord is considering attempting to build another theme park.
Gaylord did surveys and one question is what do you do on vacation. Shopping as an answer on the survey numerous times.
So, an accountant concluded people want to go shopping on vacation, thus was born Opry Mills.
Said accountant is no longer with Gaylord.
By: JNDassaro on 5/16/07
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By: jg13 on 5/16/07
Actually DMW37128, Gaylord didn't build Opry Mills. The Mills Corporation bought the failed amusement park property from Gaylord.
Also, if Gaylord is thinking of building another theme park, that's all the more reason to not build Bible Park.
Murfreesboro may be a day away from the rest of the world but there's also three six flags in GA, one in KY, Kings Dominion and Bush Gardens in VA, Dollywood, Carowinds in NC, etc. What would make someone drive past these real parks to come to some third rate tent revival in Murfreesboro?
How about a six flags or Cedar Fair (Kings Dominion, Carowinds, Cedar Point, etc.) park in Smyrna? Talk about potential for college students, these parks are related to actual multimedia companies like Warner Bros. and Viacom. Plus they're proven entities with little history of failure.
Actually DMW37128, Gaylord didn't build Opry Mills. The Mills Corporation bought the failed amusement park property from Gaylord.
Also, if Gaylord is thinking of building another theme park, that's all the more reason to not build Bible Park.
Murfreesboro may be a day away from the rest of the world but there's also three six flags in GA, one in KY, Kings Dominion and Bush Gardens in VA, Dollywood, Carowinds in NC, etc. What would make someone drive past these real parks to come to some third rate tent revival in Murfreesboro?
How about a six flags or Cedar Fair (Kings Dominion, Carowinds, Cedar Point, etc.) park in Smyrna? Talk about potential for college students, these parks are related to actual multimedia companies like Warner Bros. and Viacom. Plus they're proven entities with little history of failure.
By: etech30 on 5/16/07
jg13, you have an excellent point. Why would I drive straight by Six Flags to go to a Bible park. I may do it once for the novelty, but one trip is all it would take. I would more than likely be a repeat customer for Six Flags, like I was for Opryland. It's theme may have been country overall, but it still had the doo-wop type area, and there wasn't any "message" to the park.
jg13, you have an excellent point. Why would I drive straight by Six Flags to go to a Bible park. I may do it once for the novelty, but one trip is all it would take. I would more than likely be a repeat customer for Six Flags, like I was for Opryland. It's theme may have been country overall, but it still had the doo-wop type area, and there wasn't any "message" to the park.
By: interkosmos on 5/16/07
You might drive past Six Flags if your church told you to boycott Disney, WB, and every other mainstream entertainment company as they often do.
Remember also that we are less than a day's drive from the Creationism Museum in KY. The average god-fearing, adventure-seeking family could feasibly make a weekend out of the two sites...
NO RIDES!?! What, is that too much like dancing?
We already have a Bethlehem Marketplace
You might drive past Six Flags if your church told you to boycott Disney, WB, and every other mainstream entertainment company as they often do.
Remember also that we are less than a day's drive from the Creationism Museum in KY. The average god-fearing, adventure-seeking family could feasibly make a weekend out of the two sites...
NO RIDES!?! What, is that too much like dancing?
We already have a Bethlehem Marketplace
By: koln on 5/16/07
Neither Birmingham nor Murfreesboro are tourist destinations. What they do share in common is they are "drive-by" cities for all the snow birds headed to the Gulf Coast. Some politicians in Birmingham talked themselves into believing that traffic would be full of people willing to devote a day from their vacation to stop at a hokey theme park en route to where they really wanted to go. The result is a huge, empty, financially burdensome white elephant. All of the mistakes made there seem to be being repeated here.
Neither Birmingham nor Murfreesboro are tourist destinations. What they do share in common is they are "drive-by" cities for all the snow birds headed to the Gulf Coast. Some politicians in Birmingham talked themselves into believing that traffic would be full of people willing to devote a day from their vacation to stop at a hokey theme park en route to where they really wanted to go. The result is a huge, empty, financially burdensome white elephant. All of the mistakes made there seem to be being repeated here.
By: cmac on 5/16/07
Recently, "dollywood", in east Tennessee, was used as an example of what the "bible theme park" in Rutherford might be. Millions of dollars in tax revenue from three million visitors per year was cited as a reason to build a "bible park" here.
Let us examine the politics of religion:
First, who believes that a "bible theme park" in Rutherford will become a second "dollywood"? Somehow, the fun factor has yet to be explained. The only purpose of a "theme park" is fun.
Second, if three million people (tourists) arrive here annually (on average) in one million automobiles (3 visitors per car), then what? Rutherford roads have yet to keep up with the mega-influx of new permanent arrivals per day.
Suggestions for our commissioners:
1. Send the "bible theme park" to Macon County, Tennessee. They seriously need an economic boost.
2. Macon already has a conservative religious work force. I doubt the ACLU will gain much ground in Macon County politics. It is somewhat similar to Rhea County in 1925.
3. Macon is but a short drive for any MTSU student looking for a religious "theme park" summer job.
Here is an opportunity for Rutherford County to do the "right" thing. Allow other Tennessee counties to have a piece of the "tax incentive" pie.
After all, it is the Christian thing to do.
Recently, "dollywood", in east Tennessee, was used as an example of what the "bible theme park" in Rutherford might be. Millions of dollars in tax revenue from three million visitors per year was cited as a reason to build a "bible park" here.
Let us examine the politics of religion:
First, who believes that a "bible theme park" in Rutherford will become a second "dollywood"? Somehow, the fun factor has yet to be explained. The only purpose of a "theme park" is fun.
Second, if three million people (tourists) arrive here annually (on average) in one million automobiles (3 visitors per car), then what? Rutherford roads have yet to keep up with the mega-influx of new permanent arrivals per day.
Suggestions for our commissioners:
1. Send the "bible theme park" to Macon County, Tennessee. They seriously need an economic boost.
2. Macon already has a conservative religious work force. I doubt the ACLU will gain much ground in Macon County politics. It is somewhat similar to Rhea County in 1925.
3. Macon is but a short drive for any MTSU student looking for a religious "theme park" summer job.
Here is an opportunity for Rutherford County to do the "right" thing. Allow other Tennessee counties to have a piece of the "tax incentive" pie.
After all, it is the Christian thing to do.
By: OrangeCharlie on 5/16/07
And where are the profits made from this theme park going to go? I doubt to worthy causes which just means blatent greed and the misuse of Jesus' name.
And where are the profits made from this theme park going to go? I doubt to worthy causes which just means blatent greed and the misuse of Jesus' name.
By: MyVoice on 5/17/07
Folks it doesn't matter. Our officials are just like mr ben hur. They have thier own agendas and do not care about the rest of us.
Folks it doesn't matter. Our officials are just like mr ben hur. They have thier own agendas and do not care about the rest of us.
By: etech30 on 5/17/07
Unfortunately MyVoice, you are correct. At this point, Jesus himself could come back and say this is wrong, but our officials already have their minds made up. After all, they know what's best for us, right?
Unfortunately MyVoice, you are correct. At this point, Jesus himself could come back and say this is wrong, but our officials already have their minds made up. After all, they know what's best for us, right?
By: Slavar on 5/17/07
Again, if this project is so "hot", who else is vying for it and with what incentives. Ronnen Paldi and Mr. Ben-tur shoulld jsut move ahead, since the thing is going to manufacture money.
Profits go to Paldi and Ben-tur. Thers's no "dot org" here.
Again, if this project is so "hot", who else is vying for it and with what incentives. Ronnen Paldi and Mr. Ben-tur shoulld jsut move ahead, since the thing is going to manufacture money.
Profits go to Paldi and Ben-tur. Thers's no "dot org" here.
By: jg13 on 5/17/07
The only thing we can do is express our beliefs to our elected officials personally and at the polls. nobtp.dassaro.net has their contact info.
I agree with cmac. Murfreesboro is having no problems in the area of growth. One only needs to drive down Thompson Lane to see that. Why not share the wealth/woes other counties. The infrastructure of Murfreesboro is struggling to keep up as is. Add to that 3 million more visitors (which in all honesty is probably a big stretch after the gimmick wears off) and the boro will be a miserable place to live.
As for moving the park elsewhere being the "Christian" thing to do, I think the truly Christian thing to do would be to stop exploiting God for profit.
The only thing we can do is express our beliefs to our elected officials personally and at the polls. nobtp.dassaro.net has their contact info.
I agree with cmac. Murfreesboro is having no problems in the area of growth. One only needs to drive down Thompson Lane to see that. Why not share the wealth/woes other counties. The infrastructure of Murfreesboro is struggling to keep up as is. Add to that 3 million more visitors (which in all honesty is probably a big stretch after the gimmick wears off) and the boro will be a miserable place to live.
As for moving the park elsewhere being the "Christian" thing to do, I think the truly Christian thing to do would be to stop exploiting God for profit.
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