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By: bota on 11/8/09
Gordon switched positions from his initial response to the bill. After looking at the final vote tally, I believe that once Pelosi knew that she had the votes she needed she gave Bart a "pass" on this one to help him calm things down in his home district. His very late "change of heart" seems to support that theory.
Gordon switched positions from his initial response to the bill. After looking at the final vote tally, I believe that once Pelosi knew that she had the votes she needed she gave Bart a "pass" on this one to help him calm things down in his home district. His very late "change of heart" seems to support that theory.
By: SJns422 on 11/8/09
Shame on Bart! I shall remember his "nay" the next time I am asked to contribute to his campaing or put a sign in my yard.
Shame on Bart! I shall remember his "nay" the next time I am asked to contribute to his campaing or put a sign in my yard.
By: sangetencre on 11/8/09
Gordon not only voted "no" on the health care bill, he voted for an amendment that will hamper health care access for women.
Needless to say, I'll be doing my best during the next election to oust this Blue Dog for a Democrat who understands that women are not second class citizens and our health are concerns, including reproductive care--including abortion, are not a political bargaining chip.
Gordon not only voted "no" on the health care bill, he voted for an amendment that will hamper health care access for women.
Needless to say, I'll be doing my best during the next election to oust this Blue Dog for a Democrat who understands that women are not second class citizens and our health are concerns, including reproductive care--including abortion, are not a political bargaining chip.
By: BoltAction on 11/8/09
Thanks for voting no on this Bart. But you're still gone next election.
Thanks for voting no on this Bart. But you're still gone next election.
By: springs on 11/8/09
snagetencre, at the rate the messiah is going, all Dumocrats will be out of office next election.
snagetencre, at the rate the messiah is going, all Dumocrats will be out of office next election.
By: HuskyLover on 11/9/09
I'm an agnostic moderate female, but I am not willing to spend my own money (tax dollars) to pay for an **elective** abortion for anyone. While I detest the passage of this bill from a financial standpoint and fully expect it to stall in the Senate, I applaud the "anti-abortion" amendment.
If women want the "right to choose" in all scenarios, then they should choose to take that pill every day or better track their cycle or think about the consequences of having unprotected sex first. Abortion in the event of rape, incest, incompatibility with life, or a threat to the health of the mother I can support as a funded choice. But absolutely NOT if the pregnancy is simply an inconvenience. How freaking demented can a human being be to desire the federally-funded murder of babies to occur "just because?"
You want the government to keep its hands off your body and not dictate what you do with it in regard to abortion? Then don't expect the government to pay for it, either.
I'm an agnostic moderate female, but I am not willing to spend my own money (tax dollars) to pay for an **elective** abortion for anyone. While I detest the passage of this bill from a financial standpoint and fully expect it to stall in the Senate, I applaud the "anti-abortion" amendment.
If women want the "right to choose" in all scenarios, then they should choose to take that pill every day or better track their cycle or think about the consequences of having unprotected sex first. Abortion in the event of rape, incest, incompatibility with life, or a threat to the health of the mother I can support as a funded choice. But absolutely NOT if the pregnancy is simply an inconvenience. How freaking demented can a human being be to desire the federally-funded murder of babies to occur "just because?"
You want the government to keep its hands off your body and not dictate what you do with it in regard to abortion? Then don't expect the government to pay for it, either.
By: spanky on 11/9/09
He get's re- elected and he will pass every Dem bill that comes up
He get's re- elected and he will pass every Dem bill that comes up
By: Boo on 11/9/09
Husky- AMEN!!!
Husky- AMEN!!!
By: LuckyDog on 11/9/09
Gordon's constituents overwhelmingly oppose the use of tax dollars to fund abortions. He heard this loud and clear at the Town Hall meeting at MTSU. I believe he **finally** realized that he had no chance of being re-elected unless he changed his position on the health-care bill and on the Stupak amendment.
Gordon's constituents overwhelmingly oppose the use of tax dollars to fund abortions. He heard this loud and clear at the Town Hall meeting at MTSU. I believe he **finally** realized that he had no chance of being re-elected unless he changed his position on the health-care bill and on the Stupak amendment.
By: sangetencre on 11/9/09
Tax Dollars already do not fund abortions. See the Hyde Amendment.
@Husky Lover
"Abortion in the event of rape, incest, incompatibility with life, or a threat to the health of the mother I can support as a funded choice. But absolutely NOT if the pregnancy is simply an inconvenience. How freaking demented can a human being be to desire the federally-funded murder of babies to occur "just because?""
So, it's only murder if the woman had consensual sex (and is in reasonably o.k. health)?
Good to know.
And pregnancy and childbirth are more than a mere "inconvenience."
Tax Dollars already do not fund abortions. See the Hyde Amendment.
@Husky Lover
"Abortion in the event of rape, incest, incompatibility with life, or a threat to the health of the mother I can support as a funded choice. But absolutely NOT if the pregnancy is simply an inconvenience. How freaking demented can a human being be to desire the federally-funded murder of babies to occur "just because?""
So, it's only murder if the woman had consensual sex (and is in reasonably o.k. health)?
Good to know.
And pregnancy and childbirth are more than a mere "inconvenience."
By: HuskyLover on 11/9/09
I made a point to quantify that statement in anticipation of your predictable retort, sangetencre, and you didn't disappoint!
There's a fine line between 'murder' and 'kill' and it's walked every single day. Capital punishment cases, with the terminally ill on life support and in cases of self defense with our law enforcement, military and private citizens defending themselves. Yes, abortion is still taking an innocent life but I personally weigh that action with the justification behind it. The mother's physical health - and mental in the case of rape/incest - should take precedence.
You are absolutely correct in stating that pregnancy, childbirth and child rearing are much more than an inconvenience. But so is an innocent, precious and unique human life and I simply will not stand behind my tax dollars paying for the murder of a healthy baby just because a woman doesn't want to deal with it, is afraid to tell her parents, or might have to think and care for someone other than herself.
I made a point to quantify that statement in anticipation of your predictable retort, sangetencre, and you didn't disappoint!
There's a fine line between 'murder' and 'kill' and it's walked every single day. Capital punishment cases, with the terminally ill on life support and in cases of self defense with our law enforcement, military and private citizens defending themselves. Yes, abortion is still taking an innocent life but I personally weigh that action with the justification behind it. The mother's physical health - and mental in the case of rape/incest - should take precedence.
You are absolutely correct in stating that pregnancy, childbirth and child rearing are much more than an inconvenience. But so is an innocent, precious and unique human life and I simply will not stand behind my tax dollars paying for the murder of a healthy baby just because a woman doesn't want to deal with it, is afraid to tell her parents, or might have to think and care for someone other than herself.
By: sangetencre on 11/9/09
Nice to see the old misogynist meme that women choosing abortion are just cowards/selfish/flighty/irresponsible is still alive and kicking.
And, again, tax dollars do not go toward abortion (save in cases of your allowable rape/incest/health), re: the Hyde Amendment.
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091109/COMMUNITIES1001/91109053
Nice to see the old misogynist meme that women choosing abortion are just cowards/selfish/flighty/irresponsible is still alive and kicking.
And, again, tax dollars do not go toward abortion (save in cases of your allowable rape/incest/health), re: the Hyde Amendment.
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091109/COMMUNITIES1001/91109053
By: publius on 11/9/09
I have heard a lot of rhetoric about innocent life is the child concieved by rape not innocent. You can not have it both ways. If prolife folks wanted to stop abortion instead of shooting abortion Dr's they should work to end the need for abortion.
I have heard a lot of rhetoric about innocent life is the child concieved by rape not innocent. You can not have it both ways. If prolife folks wanted to stop abortion instead of shooting abortion Dr's they should work to end the need for abortion.
By: Tori0723 on 11/9/09
"By: sangetencre on 11/9/09
Nice to see the old misogynist meme that women choosing abortion are just cowards/selfish/flighty/irresponsible is still alive and kicking.
And, again, tax dollars do not go toward abortion (save in cases of your allowable rape/incest/health), re: the Hyde Amendment."
It looks like you need to decide which side you're supporting. You whine in your first post because Gordon voted to make sure that abortion isn't covered while defending your position in a following post by saying abortion isn't covered anyway. What's your point?
As to Gordon and the bill. I'm glad to see Bart voted no, but I'm afraid that if Pelosi had really needed his vote, she'd have gotten it.
"By: sangetencre on 11/9/09
Nice to see the old misogynist meme that women choosing abortion are just cowards/selfish/flighty/irresponsible is still alive and kicking.
And, again, tax dollars do not go toward abortion (save in cases of your allowable rape/incest/health), re: the Hyde Amendment."
It looks like you need to decide which side you're supporting. You whine in your first post because Gordon voted to make sure that abortion isn't covered while defending your position in a following post by saying abortion isn't covered anyway. What's your point?
As to Gordon and the bill. I'm glad to see Bart voted no, but I'm afraid that if Pelosi had really needed his vote, she'd have gotten it.
By: LuckyDog on 11/9/09
sangetencre:
The Hyde Amendment doesn't apply in this situation, and the Stupak amendement was required to prevent public tax dollars being used to fund abortions. FactCheck.org analyzed this issue in late August and concluded that as it was originally written, the bill would have allowed public tax dollars to be used to fund abortions. See: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/
Gordon tried to hide behind the Hyde Amendment (no pun intended) at the townhall meeting at MTSU, but his constituents weren't going to allow him to misrepresent the facts. The Hyde Amendment simply does not apply.
If you want a very detailed analysis, please read: http://www.nrlc.org/AHC/NRLCmemoHydeAmendmentWillNotApply.html
sangetencre:
The Hyde Amendment doesn't apply in this situation, and the Stupak amendement was required to prevent public tax dollars being used to fund abortions. FactCheck.org analyzed this issue in late August and concluded that as it was originally written, the bill would have allowed public tax dollars to be used to fund abortions. See: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/
Gordon tried to hide behind the Hyde Amendment (no pun intended) at the townhall meeting at MTSU, but his constituents weren't going to allow him to misrepresent the facts. The Hyde Amendment simply does not apply.
If you want a very detailed analysis, please read: http://www.nrlc.org/AHC/NRLCmemoHydeAmendmentWillNotApply.html
By: canalou on 11/9/09
I don't agree with Bart's vote "no," but amazed at those who reportedly like his "vote," but still condemn him for it...
I don't agree with Bart's vote "no," but amazed at those who reportedly like his "vote," but still condemn him for it...
By: Dave42 on 11/9/09
Tax dollars DO fund abortion despite what the Hyde ammendment says or requires. Have you ever heard of Planned Parenthood? This group continually performs abortions and has counciling on that very subject and they are entirely funded by the U.S. Government. I.E. Your tax dollars.
Bart voted no just to save his political hide, he and the other Socialists in Congress need to ge given a Pink Slip at the next election.
Tax dollars DO fund abortion despite what the Hyde ammendment says or requires. Have you ever heard of Planned Parenthood? This group continually performs abortions and has counciling on that very subject and they are entirely funded by the U.S. Government. I.E. Your tax dollars.
Bart voted no just to save his political hide, he and the other Socialists in Congress need to ge given a Pink Slip at the next election.
By: tlsa98 on 11/9/09
Bota is exactly right. The ONLY reason he didn't vote for it was because Nancy Pelosi didn't need his vote. Pure politics 101. He is still liberal turd and Pelosi knows she can on his vote anytime she needs it.
Bota is exactly right. The ONLY reason he didn't vote for it was because Nancy Pelosi didn't need his vote. Pure politics 101. He is still liberal turd and Pelosi knows she can on his vote anytime she needs it.
By: SocEtTuem on 11/10/09
Gordon voted on this bill the only way he could. He risked being evicted from office otherwise. He still might go given his suopport for Cap & Trade. As to his anti-abortion amendment vote, good for him. If you want an abortion, you pay for your own. I refuse to fund what amounts to the moral equivalent of murder.
Gordon voted on this bill the only way he could. He risked being evicted from office otherwise. He still might go given his suopport for Cap & Trade. As to his anti-abortion amendment vote, good for him. If you want an abortion, you pay for your own. I refuse to fund what amounts to the moral equivalent of murder.
By: Farmall on 11/10/09
If you don't want your money funding abortions then stop giving to the United Way. They support Planned Parenthood.
If you don't want your money funding abortions then stop giving to the United Way. They support Planned Parenthood.
By: titansone on 11/10/09
Let's make this simple: killing is wrong. Killing innocent people - born and unborn - is, in most people's opinion, more wrong.
What's interesting and sad is that the one thing that brings people together is the belief that no one's tax money should pay for these killings.
Let's make this simple: killing is wrong. Killing innocent people - born and unborn - is, in most people's opinion, more wrong.
What's interesting and sad is that the one thing that brings people together is the belief that no one's tax money should pay for these killings.
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