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By: arlbigdaddy on 3/18/10
You're dreaming Congressman. First of all, government-run health care is unconstitutional. Secondly, in my opinion, it is a power grab by socialist-minded politicians. Third, we cannot afford the dollars any health care "reform" will cost us in tax dollars, poorer care, fewer doctors, less research, higher mortality rate, etc. Do you think Americans are too dumb to understand that this attempt is a boondoggle which will make Americans more dependent on suckling from the government? I am glad that Congressman Gordon is retiring. Gee, it seems so timely.
You're dreaming Congressman. First of all, government-run health care is unconstitutional. Secondly, in my opinion, it is a power grab by socialist-minded politicians. Third, we cannot afford the dollars any health care "reform" will cost us in tax dollars, poorer care, fewer doctors, less research, higher mortality rate, etc. Do you think Americans are too dumb to understand that this attempt is a boondoggle which will make Americans more dependent on suckling from the government? I am glad that Congressman Gordon is retiring. Gee, it seems so timely.
By: CFW0914 on 3/18/10
I totally agree and I wonder if the Congressman's family will be having this same healthcare coverage...
I totally agree and I wonder if the Congressman's family will be having this same healthcare coverage...
By: mhm2a on 3/18/10
From my understanding congress has opted out of the health care plan they are pushing so hard for.
For too long we have been complacent on how our government or congress works. Here are the facts:
- The do not pay into SSI
- Guaranteed retirement income even after a single term. (so who cares if they are voted out)
- Minimum income to serve (top 1% of wage earners)
- Exempted themselves from the health care reform that they are shoving down our throats.
PEOPLE PLEASE WAKE UP....ACTION IS NEEDED NOW!
From my understanding congress has opted out of the health care plan they are pushing so hard for.
For too long we have been complacent on how our government or congress works. Here are the facts:
- The do not pay into SSI
- Guaranteed retirement income even after a single term. (so who cares if they are voted out)
- Minimum income to serve (top 1% of wage earners)
- Exempted themselves from the health care reform that they are shoving down our throats.
PEOPLE PLEASE WAKE UP....ACTION IS NEEDED NOW!
By: publius on 3/18/10
I took care of my mom before she died, she had breast and brain cancer. I am a nurse. I took care of her at home, she died at home with me. I took 5 months off from work I cashed out my 401K and retirement, I sold my wedding rings,and hers. I lost 30 pounds, my hair fell out. The hospital,( a for profit hospital) I worked for did not hold my job. I am a Registered Nurse and a good one I got another. It has been 15 years since her death, and I am more disillusioned about health-care. I could have kept my job and wedding rings and hers if her insurance co didn't drop her because she maxed out!
I am so angry . I do not do what I was trained to do; I make sure that the company I work for gets paid. I try to give my patients what they need, they often do not have the resources that my Mom had, so they do not get the care. Today I had to tell a woman she needed to do another dialysis exchange during the day. She is blind and her daughter and daughter in-law help her. They have decided to skip their lunch and break time to come and do her dialysis. One daughter is afraid her boss will let her go, she is terrified she was just diagnosed with breast cancer last week. If she loses her job she knows she will die,no job no health insurance. These young women are loosing weight their hair is falling out, I know how they feel. Stop your screaming and wake up. You can not be as callous as you sound these people are not welfare queens.
In 2007 I went to Italy, for a Wedding. It was wonderful. One of the young people fell and went to the emergency room. They did an xray on his ankle put on a cast, and apologized that they had to charge for the visit. they charge 34 euro's that was less than $50. This hospital was beautiful. The care was professional. In America it would cost thousands. I was ashamed that Americans have allowed this to happen.
I feel like I am standing watching some ones house burn and the bucket I have has a hole in the bottom so the water pours out and the house burns, the harder I work the less I am able to do to stop the house from burning; I am so depleted when I come home from work I feel helpless, and hopeless.
I am angry, frightened, I am sick of the greed and stupidity. I am a good nurse and I can not do my job.
I think this bill does not do enough, I read your posts mhm2a wake up! you need too WE ARE 37 IN QUALITY OF HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD. that means there are 36 countries with better health care. Rush Limbaugh is going to Costa Rica if this bill passes. HE OUGHT TO BE OK. They have better health care America.
Regulation is not always bad and free market is not always good. Look at Haiti and Chile. Chile had an earthquake 880 times stronger than Haiti's, and look at the difference in the damage. Haiti a Republicans dream no regulation, and the country is destroyed. Chile a stronger quake 800 times stronger, they have regulation building codes the country is not destroyed.
Stop listening to the lies on both left and right
This bill will not fix all of this but hopefully it is a start.
I took care of my mom before she died, she had breast and brain cancer. I am a nurse. I took care of her at home, she died at home with me. I took 5 months off from work I cashed out my 401K and retirement, I sold my wedding rings,and hers. I lost 30 pounds, my hair fell out. The hospital,( a for profit hospital) I worked for did not hold my job. I am a Registered Nurse and a good one I got another. It has been 15 years since her death, and I am more disillusioned about health-care. I could have kept my job and wedding rings and hers if her insurance co didn't drop her because she maxed out!
I am so angry . I do not do what I was trained to do; I make sure that the company I work for gets paid. I try to give my patients what they need, they often do not have the resources that my Mom had, so they do not get the care. Today I had to tell a woman she needed to do another dialysis exchange during the day. She is blind and her daughter and daughter in-law help her. They have decided to skip their lunch and break time to come and do her dialysis. One daughter is afraid her boss will let her go, she is terrified she was just diagnosed with breast cancer last week. If she loses her job she knows she will die,no job no health insurance. These young women are loosing weight their hair is falling out, I know how they feel. Stop your screaming and wake up. You can not be as callous as you sound these people are not welfare queens.
In 2007 I went to Italy, for a Wedding. It was wonderful. One of the young people fell and went to the emergency room. They did an xray on his ankle put on a cast, and apologized that they had to charge for the visit. they charge 34 euro's that was less than $50. This hospital was beautiful. The care was professional. In America it would cost thousands. I was ashamed that Americans have allowed this to happen.
I feel like I am standing watching some ones house burn and the bucket I have has a hole in the bottom so the water pours out and the house burns, the harder I work the less I am able to do to stop the house from burning; I am so depleted when I come home from work I feel helpless, and hopeless.
I am angry, frightened, I am sick of the greed and stupidity. I am a good nurse and I can not do my job.
I think this bill does not do enough, I read your posts mhm2a wake up! you need too WE ARE 37 IN QUALITY OF HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD. that means there are 36 countries with better health care. Rush Limbaugh is going to Costa Rica if this bill passes. HE OUGHT TO BE OK. They have better health care America.
Regulation is not always bad and free market is not always good. Look at Haiti and Chile. Chile had an earthquake 880 times stronger than Haiti's, and look at the difference in the damage. Haiti a Republicans dream no regulation, and the country is destroyed. Chile a stronger quake 800 times stronger, they have regulation building codes the country is not destroyed.
Stop listening to the lies on both left and right
This bill will not fix all of this but hopefully it is a start.
By: weeeezzll on 3/19/10
@mhm2a:
- Congress does pay SSI. They pay 6.2% just like everyone else and have since 1984.
- Members of congress are only vested in their retirement fund after 5 years. This means that Representatives must be elected 3 times before they are vested. Senators however are vested after just one term because a term is 6 years long. But that doesn't mean they get a full pension, they get a pension commensurate with their years of service and amount contributed.
- Minimum income to serve? I don't even know what your talking about.
- There is nothing for the members of congress to be exempt from. Everything in the bill applies to every person in this country.
All of your claims are baseless and without merit. Why you would waste your time spreading lies like this is beyond me. 10 minutes of online research could have provided you with the information you needed to know this.
People like yourself who run around parroting things they hear without doing any research hinder progress at every turn.
@mhm2a:
- Congress does pay SSI. They pay 6.2% just like everyone else and have since 1984.
- Members of congress are only vested in their retirement fund after 5 years. This means that Representatives must be elected 3 times before they are vested. Senators however are vested after just one term because a term is 6 years long. But that doesn't mean they get a full pension, they get a pension commensurate with their years of service and amount contributed.
- Minimum income to serve? I don't even know what your talking about.
- There is nothing for the members of congress to be exempt from. Everything in the bill applies to every person in this country.
All of your claims are baseless and without merit. Why you would waste your time spreading lies like this is beyond me. 10 minutes of online research could have provided you with the information you needed to know this.
People like yourself who run around parroting things they hear without doing any research hinder progress at every turn.
By: BoltAction on 3/20/10
My wife and I have health insurance. We do not go to the doctor unless it is absolutely necessary. Our costs are not outrageous.
Why should I be forced to pay for other people's health insurance?
There are steps that can be taken before forcing another set of taxes, programs and mandates on the working people.
If we keep going down this road we will soon be giving 50% of our income to the government. Can you afford that? I sure can't.
No one in this country is "entitled" to anything. There are way to many people getting a free ride.
My wife and I have health insurance. We do not go to the doctor unless it is absolutely necessary. Our costs are not outrageous.
Why should I be forced to pay for other people's health insurance?
There are steps that can be taken before forcing another set of taxes, programs and mandates on the working people.
If we keep going down this road we will soon be giving 50% of our income to the government. Can you afford that? I sure can't.
No one in this country is "entitled" to anything. There are way to many people getting a free ride.
By: publius on 3/20/10
Dear bolt action, You are like many who have been lulled into the belief that your insurance will be there for you when you need it. This should not be about entitlement. I agree with you, why should I work for those who don't. But if you believe that your insurance will pay for your needs when you get sick you are mistaken. Read the fine print, I can assure you that yearly and lifetime benefit caps are there. i agree with you this is not a great bill but it is a start. I ask you why do the insurance companies warrant protection from monopoly charges. If the company you work for is what is called self insured state and federal laws that protect us don't apply. the fix is in and it is against us reg working people. Remember we are 37 in the world in quality of health care. I work in health care I see what insurance companies do. We need to band together and fight them. this bill as weak as it is, is a start.
Dear bolt action, You are like many who have been lulled into the belief that your insurance will be there for you when you need it. This should not be about entitlement. I agree with you, why should I work for those who don't. But if you believe that your insurance will pay for your needs when you get sick you are mistaken. Read the fine print, I can assure you that yearly and lifetime benefit caps are there. i agree with you this is not a great bill but it is a start. I ask you why do the insurance companies warrant protection from monopoly charges. If the company you work for is what is called self insured state and federal laws that protect us don't apply. the fix is in and it is against us reg working people. Remember we are 37 in the world in quality of health care. I work in health care I see what insurance companies do. We need to band together and fight them. this bill as weak as it is, is a start.
By: BoltAction on 3/20/10
I never said that I believed that my insurance would be there for me entirely. Just because someone gets sick they are not immediately dropped from their insurance. I would rather take my chances than put my faith in the government. Is it not apparent that they are incompetent at running anything?
I pay next to nothing for health insurance right now (about 20%, employer picks up 80%). Once this bill passes and my employer is hit with skyrocketing taxes, then my costs in turn will skyrocket.
Why should me or my employer be penalized. What you're going to see is more people dropping their insurance altogether and just paying the fine each year. If they get sick they will just abuse the ER like everyone else.
This bill does nothing to fix the problems.
Why don't they start small like forcing non US citizens to pay cash up front for services. I understand that many can't afford to pay and if they can't pay I'm sure there are some rooms that need cleaning or some sheets that need ironing. It's time to put an end to the free loaders. Just because you can't pay doesn't mean you can't earn your keep.
When you use the system and make no form of repayment then you are stealing from the taxpayers.
But I guess that's the new American way. If you are hard working and do the right thing you are penalized. If you milk the system you are rewarded.
I never said that I believed that my insurance would be there for me entirely. Just because someone gets sick they are not immediately dropped from their insurance. I would rather take my chances than put my faith in the government. Is it not apparent that they are incompetent at running anything?
I pay next to nothing for health insurance right now (about 20%, employer picks up 80%). Once this bill passes and my employer is hit with skyrocketing taxes, then my costs in turn will skyrocket.
Why should me or my employer be penalized. What you're going to see is more people dropping their insurance altogether and just paying the fine each year. If they get sick they will just abuse the ER like everyone else.
This bill does nothing to fix the problems.
Why don't they start small like forcing non US citizens to pay cash up front for services. I understand that many can't afford to pay and if they can't pay I'm sure there are some rooms that need cleaning or some sheets that need ironing. It's time to put an end to the free loaders. Just because you can't pay doesn't mean you can't earn your keep.
When you use the system and make no form of repayment then you are stealing from the taxpayers.
But I guess that's the new American way. If you are hard working and do the right thing you are penalized. If you milk the system you are rewarded.
By: ItsGood on 3/20/10
publis - will the Fed Gov't be there for me when I need it, like I expect my Social Security to be there when I need it?
What about my grandkids and the debt they will have for this program? Can they afford to pay it?
what about the illegals that will be added?
What about the government jobs being created to run the plan?
What about Peliosi's comment that "We need to pass this bill to learn what is in it'? DUH.
We had some friends for Australia visit, the man had an issue. Could not believe he could walk into a dr office without waiting months.
If our insurance programs are so bad - why are so many folks moving to the USA instead of folks from the USA moving away?
publis - will the Fed Gov't be there for me when I need it, like I expect my Social Security to be there when I need it?
What about my grandkids and the debt they will have for this program? Can they afford to pay it?
what about the illegals that will be added?
What about the government jobs being created to run the plan?
What about Peliosi's comment that "We need to pass this bill to learn what is in it'? DUH.
We had some friends for Australia visit, the man had an issue. Could not believe he could walk into a dr office without waiting months.
If our insurance programs are so bad - why are so many folks moving to the USA instead of folks from the USA moving away?
By: SittingBull on 3/20/10
Hey Don't go with the feel good bunch on your way out
Hey Don't go with the feel good bunch on your way out
By: redbird on 3/21/10
Several of the people I have spoken with agree that it is best that Gordon not retire to Murfreesboro but stay in Washington with the b-----ds that he feels best with.
Several of the people I have spoken with agree that it is best that Gordon not retire to Murfreesboro but stay in Washington with the b-----ds that he feels best with.
By: TimeforJustice on 3/21/10
SittingBull and Redbird your attitudes are disgusting. Act like adults for goodness sake. This is a debate not a school yard brawl.
SittingBull and Redbird your attitudes are disgusting. Act like adults for goodness sake. This is a debate not a school yard brawl.
By: oldriverdawg on 3/22/10
Thanks weeeezzll for correcting the errors made by mhm2a. I get frequent emails stating the same things that mhm2a claimed. I don't agree with much that congress does but I'm not willing to trade places with them.
Don't know if the current bill is good or not but something has to be done. We've talked about it for 50 years - it's time to do something. This is a start. Thank you Congressman Gordon.
Thanks weeeezzll for correcting the errors made by mhm2a. I get frequent emails stating the same things that mhm2a claimed. I don't agree with much that congress does but I'm not willing to trade places with them.
Don't know if the current bill is good or not but something has to be done. We've talked about it for 50 years - it's time to do something. This is a start. Thank you Congressman Gordon.
By: canalou on 3/22/10
I'm associated with one of the most successful hospital/care groups in America, and am here to tell you...Insurance Care Reform was critically needed, and should have been billed that to the public...insurance providers are the "death squads"...Thanks Bart for your guts to vote on this issue.
I'm associated with one of the most successful hospital/care groups in America, and am here to tell you...Insurance Care Reform was critically needed, and should have been billed that to the public...insurance providers are the "death squads"...Thanks Bart for your guts to vote on this issue.
By: mhm2a on 3/22/10
I was wrong.....and stand corrected. I do agree that the system needs to be reformed but at what cost? It seems that it could be handled a few issues at a time so that we can all be on board and understand the issues at hand. Most of the comments/arguments for socialized healthcare could be solved by placing certain restrictions on insurance providers and healthcare costs in general. Economically speaking I can not see how we can provide healthcare for an additional 32 million people without increasing our taxes and the national debt substantially....is money even real?
I hope that I am wrong and everything works out, but I doubt it. Our government has overstepped its bounds and its wallet in my opinion.
I was wrong.....and stand corrected. I do agree that the system needs to be reformed but at what cost? It seems that it could be handled a few issues at a time so that we can all be on board and understand the issues at hand. Most of the comments/arguments for socialized healthcare could be solved by placing certain restrictions on insurance providers and healthcare costs in general. Economically speaking I can not see how we can provide healthcare for an additional 32 million people without increasing our taxes and the national debt substantially....is money even real?
I hope that I am wrong and everything works out, but I doubt it. Our government has overstepped its bounds and its wallet in my opinion.
By: redbird on 3/22/10
replying to timefor justice. it is all out war the liberals are trying to destroy the United States.
replying to timefor justice. it is all out war the liberals are trying to destroy the United States.
By: publius on 3/22/10
Bolt action, the thing about health insurance is you get to pay and they do not. I work in health care I am a nurse. and every day I see how insurance companies deny patients who thought they had reasonable health care. I agree you you that we are going to pay more, but we would pay more any way. I do not know if you are old enough to remember when Clinton tried reform. The insurance Co's put on Harry and Louise ads; and everything they said would happen if health care was reformed; happened with out the reform. Our problem is that our legislators are gutless, both Republican and Democrats. They pander to everyone else but us. This is a start and if we remain calm and stand together to put their feet to the fire maybe things can change. But each of us need to learn the facts. Our next fight is this bill has dumped the medicare "enhancements" on the states. The Democrats wimped out on the hard stuff and the Republicans stood by and screamed the sky is falling and did nothing to protect us. Those gutless wonders will try to use this for political gain in the mid term election.
Bolt action, the thing about health insurance is you get to pay and they do not. I work in health care I am a nurse. and every day I see how insurance companies deny patients who thought they had reasonable health care. I agree you you that we are going to pay more, but we would pay more any way. I do not know if you are old enough to remember when Clinton tried reform. The insurance Co's put on Harry and Louise ads; and everything they said would happen if health care was reformed; happened with out the reform. Our problem is that our legislators are gutless, both Republican and Democrats. They pander to everyone else but us. This is a start and if we remain calm and stand together to put their feet to the fire maybe things can change. But each of us need to learn the facts. Our next fight is this bill has dumped the medicare "enhancements" on the states. The Democrats wimped out on the hard stuff and the Republicans stood by and screamed the sky is falling and did nothing to protect us. Those gutless wonders will try to use this for political gain in the mid term election.
By: driveguy on 3/23/10
Folk's,
My question here is, "how is this bill payed for?" That question seems to be the one that no one wants to be pinned down on. Taxes will be raised I am sure and we will still be paying for insurance. Doctors will have a harder time having procedures approved by insurance companies so cost will still end up with the insured. How does this benifit us in reform? It may be a start but, it is a start in the wrong direction. There will be opprtunity for drug makers and insurance companies only not the insured. Companies will layoff to get to the magic number below 50 employees so they won't have to offer insurance so, job loss is a part of this legislation. So, in short, Let me be the ugly american and say, " what's in it for me since I, my children and their children will be paying for it?" Does anyone on here even know everything that is in this bill, hidden or otherwise? This is Pelosi and Obama only wanting to be able to say that they are the administration that got healthcare reform passed, Doesn't matter that we shoved it down the american peoples throat, We will be remembered for this. Just hope it's the history that you want associated with yourself folks.
Folk's,
My question here is, "how is this bill payed for?" That question seems to be the one that no one wants to be pinned down on. Taxes will be raised I am sure and we will still be paying for insurance. Doctors will have a harder time having procedures approved by insurance companies so cost will still end up with the insured. How does this benifit us in reform? It may be a start but, it is a start in the wrong direction. There will be opprtunity for drug makers and insurance companies only not the insured. Companies will layoff to get to the magic number below 50 employees so they won't have to offer insurance so, job loss is a part of this legislation. So, in short, Let me be the ugly american and say, " what's in it for me since I, my children and their children will be paying for it?" Does anyone on here even know everything that is in this bill, hidden or otherwise? This is Pelosi and Obama only wanting to be able to say that they are the administration that got healthcare reform passed, Doesn't matter that we shoved it down the american peoples throat, We will be remembered for this. Just hope it's the history that you want associated with yourself folks.
By: publius on 3/23/10
Driveguy This bill is a start, and you are right it will most likely mean more taxes. I don't think companies will give up tax breaks and keep their employees under 50.
But lets be clear you, your children, and your grandchildren are paying for an unfunded war That was not added to the budget proposed by President Bush and approved by congress. When President Bush came to office he had a surplus.
I think if you look back to the 1960's at what was said after medicare was passed you will see the same things were said, and for the most part medicare is a good program. As I said before I am a nurse and I deal with patients in an out patient setting. I deal with a lot of insurance co's. they collect and do not want to pay. Doctors already have a hard time getting procedure approved. I needed a hysterectomy, my ins co said do a D&C my doctor and their Dr said it would make my condition worse. The ins co review panel(Death panel?) insisted on another plan of treatment first; and my condition became much worse I became critically ill. I had a so called "Cadillac plan" for ins
I believe this could have been a better bill had the republicans participated. They did not.
We saw only screamers abusive screamers. Drive guy that is the ugly American, you sir are asking a valid question.the kinds of things we need to ask our congressmen, & senators. We as the tax payer need to stop drinking the Koolaid whether it be red or blue.
Driveguy This bill is a start, and you are right it will most likely mean more taxes. I don't think companies will give up tax breaks and keep their employees under 50.
But lets be clear you, your children, and your grandchildren are paying for an unfunded war That was not added to the budget proposed by President Bush and approved by congress. When President Bush came to office he had a surplus.
I think if you look back to the 1960's at what was said after medicare was passed you will see the same things were said, and for the most part medicare is a good program. As I said before I am a nurse and I deal with patients in an out patient setting. I deal with a lot of insurance co's. they collect and do not want to pay. Doctors already have a hard time getting procedure approved. I needed a hysterectomy, my ins co said do a D&C my doctor and their Dr said it would make my condition worse. The ins co review panel(Death panel?) insisted on another plan of treatment first; and my condition became much worse I became critically ill. I had a so called "Cadillac plan" for ins
I believe this could have been a better bill had the republicans participated. They did not.
We saw only screamers abusive screamers. Drive guy that is the ugly American, you sir are asking a valid question.the kinds of things we need to ask our congressmen, & senators. We as the tax payer need to stop drinking the Koolaid whether it be red or blue.
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