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By: BoltAction on 7/29/10
Should be some great publicity for us. Sure hope he sees fit to include one "fact", a board member has already been removed for his views. We stopped a bible park, surely we can stop this.
Should be some great publicity for us. Sure hope he sees fit to include one "fact", a board member has already been removed for his views. We stopped a bible park, surely we can stop this.
By: marieclaire on 7/30/10
From a man who says he hates the polarization of people, he seems to be leading the charge. Beware.
From a man who says he hates the polarization of people, he seems to be leading the charge. Beware.
By: Farmall on 7/30/10
He comes here to get away from the hollywood community, but does everything he can to lead this community towards what he trying to get away from.
He comes here to get away from the hollywood community, but does everything he can to lead this community towards what he trying to get away from.
By: murfreesboropastor on 7/30/10
This filmaker is completely biased and I would not trust him to put me on camera. Remember people once they have you on camera they can edit it to make you sound like a stupid country hick. I've seen this guy in action on other chat boards and he does not have this communities best interest at heart. It was very evident to me that he has an agenda. He presents arguments and when they are addressed with facts he moves on to the next argument until he loops around to his first question which had already been answered. I would beware engaging him in debate because he has no intentions of looking at any evidence or facts presented unless they match his biased slant to the issue at hand. Just the way I see it - he is not what he says he is.
I am also disappointed that the post would give him any press at all.
This filmaker is completely biased and I would not trust him to put me on camera. Remember people once they have you on camera they can edit it to make you sound like a stupid country hick. I've seen this guy in action on other chat boards and he does not have this communities best interest at heart. It was very evident to me that he has an agenda. He presents arguments and when they are addressed with facts he moves on to the next argument until he loops around to his first question which had already been answered. I would beware engaging him in debate because he has no intentions of looking at any evidence or facts presented unless they match his biased slant to the issue at hand. Just the way I see it - he is not what he says he is.
I am also disappointed that the post would give him any press at all.
By: marieclaire on 7/30/10
Eric Allen Bell describes himself on his Facebook page as an Anarchist -- is this a man to trust?
Eric Allen Bell describes himself on his Facebook page as an Anarchist -- is this a man to trust?
By: EricAllenBell on 7/31/10
If you are interested in participating in the documentary or just have questions, please feel free to contact me directly at: Eric@BellMedia.org
Thanks :)
If you are interested in participating in the documentary or just have questions, please feel free to contact me directly at: Eric@BellMedia.org
Thanks :)
By: murfreesboropastor on 7/31/10
Like I said, Mr. Bell is Not here to help but to stir the pot - to engage him in conversation is futile.
Like I said, Mr. Bell is Not here to help but to stir the pot - to engage him in conversation is futile.
By: heather on 7/31/10
I'm looking forward to seeing this. Thanks.
I'm looking forward to seeing this. Thanks.
By: sangetencre on 7/31/10
Well, you know, if you don't stir the pot now and again all the scum keeps floating to the top.
Well, you know, if you don't stir the pot now and again all the scum keeps floating to the top.
By: CharleneMorrie on 7/31/10
@Sangetencre: Well said! @MurfreesboroPastor: The director's intention is clearly stated in the article... "Separating fear from facts is what this documentary is about." According to our Constitution, every individual in this great nation has the right to religious freedom. Live and let live. Pray and let pray!
@Sangetencre: Well said! @MurfreesboroPastor: The director's intention is clearly stated in the article... "Separating fear from facts is what this documentary is about." According to our Constitution, every individual in this great nation has the right to religious freedom. Live and let live. Pray and let pray!
By: EricAllenBell on 8/1/10
For those who falesly think I am just here to make matters worse, please take a moment and join the Facebook group I have formed called, "Civilized Debate About The Proposed Murfreesboro Mosque".
It is a place where we can all air our concerns without name calling, making threats or otherwise being disrespectful. Maybe we can actually learn something from each other and find a common ground:
http://www.facebook.com/EricAllenBell#!/group.php?gid=140554209300941&ref=mf
For those who falesly think I am just here to make matters worse, please take a moment and join the Facebook group I have formed called, "Civilized Debate About The Proposed Murfreesboro Mosque".
It is a place where we can all air our concerns without name calling, making threats or otherwise being disrespectful. Maybe we can actually learn something from each other and find a common ground:
http://www.facebook.com/EricAllenBell#!/group.php?gid=140554209300941&ref=mf
By: marieclaire on 8/1/10
From everything Bell has written in many posts on numerous facebook pages, there is nothing respectful, honorable or honest about this man. He has no interest in the facts, only a clear bias.
From everything Bell has written in many posts on numerous facebook pages, there is nothing respectful, honorable or honest about this man. He has no interest in the facts, only a clear bias.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/1/10
I have posted on numerous boards that I feel it is of critical importance that we not confuse our feelings with the facts. It is understandable that people would have strong feelings and concerns. But when you take the anger you feel toward militant Islam and you project it onto the local Isalmic community, without knowing anything about them, then you start to get into a troublesome territory.
If that is a bias then so be it. I have a bias. That said, if anyone is interested in being interviewed, or if you just have some information that you would like to pass on, please feel free to contact me at any time: Eric@BellMedia.org
I have posted on numerous boards that I feel it is of critical importance that we not confuse our feelings with the facts. It is understandable that people would have strong feelings and concerns. But when you take the anger you feel toward militant Islam and you project it onto the local Isalmic community, without knowing anything about them, then you start to get into a troublesome territory.
If that is a bias then so be it. I have a bias. That said, if anyone is interested in being interviewed, or if you just have some information that you would like to pass on, please feel free to contact me at any time: Eric@BellMedia.org
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/1/10
Amen marieclaire. He is very biased. He keeps using the same worn out arguments and has refused to consider any evidence given him. I personally encourage anyone who comes in contact with him to walk away because he is here in Murfreesboro to bring harm to this community.
Amen marieclaire. He is very biased. He keeps using the same worn out arguments and has refused to consider any evidence given him. I personally encourage anyone who comes in contact with him to walk away because he is here in Murfreesboro to bring harm to this community.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/1/10
all one needs to do is go to his link above and you will clearly see his bias at work.
all one needs to do is go to his link above and you will clearly see his bias at work.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/1/10
I am not here to bring harm to the community and you know it. Come on.
Some people are just uncomfortable with the degree of hatred, racism, bigotry and religious intolerance that I have discovered. It is widespread in this small Southern town.
And all the coverage in the media does not help with that image of Murfreesboro. I hope to bring a balanced perspective, to show in my documentary all sides of this issue, not just the extremes in both directions.
I am not here to bring harm to the community and you know it. Come on.
Some people are just uncomfortable with the degree of hatred, racism, bigotry and religious intolerance that I have discovered. It is widespread in this small Southern town.
And all the coverage in the media does not help with that image of Murfreesboro. I hope to bring a balanced perspective, to show in my documentary all sides of this issue, not just the extremes in both directions.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/1/10
read his comments on the boards he has been posting on and you will see he is certainly not "balanced"
read his comments on the boards he has been posting on and you will see he is certainly not "balanced"
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/1/10
Here is the link to facebook that shows much of his biased slant:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/Murfreesboro.Tenn?v=wall&story_fbid=147192328629469
Or you can go to his link above and see the same issues.
Here is the link to facebook that shows much of his biased slant:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/Murfreesboro.Tenn?v=wall&story_fbid=147192328629469
Or you can go to his link above and see the same issues.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/1/10
I am not unbiased. I come to this issue with a point of view.
I am not unbiased. I come to this issue with a point of view.
By: redwing on 8/1/10
People,wake the hell up,read what Mr.Vijay Kumar has to say,he speaks on your behalf ie:your freedom and your free will to speak the truth.As for Eric Allen Bell he knows not where he comes,the truth is there if he were to look and ask questions but he does'nt have the balls.Ask outright if these Muslims support Shariah Law it's that simple,if they do you have your answer.
People,wake the hell up,read what Mr.Vijay Kumar has to say,he speaks on your behalf ie:your freedom and your free will to speak the truth.As for Eric Allen Bell he knows not where he comes,the truth is there if he were to look and ask questions but he does'nt have the balls.Ask outright if these Muslims support Shariah Law it's that simple,if they do you have your answer.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/1/10
@Redwing - I have done numerous interviews by now with Murfreesboro Muslims and absolutely no one I have spoken to really knew what Shariah Law even was.
@Redwing - I have done numerous interviews by now with Murfreesboro Muslims and absolutely no one I have spoken to really knew what Shariah Law even was.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/2/10
@ Eric - then they are not real Muslims - the Quran defines sharia law.
@ Eric - then they are not real Muslims - the Quran defines sharia law.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/2/10
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=24746 an excellent article.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=24746 an excellent article.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/2/10
Can you point to where in the Koran the word Sharia Law is and what it says?
Can you point to where in the Koran the word Sharia Law is and what it says?
By: EricAllenBell on 8/2/10
Your article is from a radical right wing source that posts all kinds of ads about what to do when the end times comes. You can't be serious. LOL
Your article is from a radical right wing source that posts all kinds of ads about what to do when the end times comes. You can't be serious. LOL
By: Farmall on 8/2/10
Eric, can you explain whats happening in euroupe. How they now have their own Shariah courts set up that supersedes the local law. How if a woman dressed in normal clothes walks in one of the muslim communities she is called all sorts of names one that starts with a W (refers to lady of the evening). Why don't you do a real documentary that shows that if we allow this political movement then this is what we will have to look forward to. in other words show the truth!
Eric, can you explain whats happening in euroupe. How they now have their own Shariah courts set up that supersedes the local law. How if a woman dressed in normal clothes walks in one of the muslim communities she is called all sorts of names one that starts with a W (refers to lady of the evening). Why don't you do a real documentary that shows that if we allow this political movement then this is what we will have to look forward to. in other words show the truth!
By: EricAllenBell on 8/2/10
I am not here to explain Europe or to defend Islam. I am defending the Constitution of the United States. Local people in Murfreeboro seek to take away the rights of others on the basis of fear, prejudice and religious superiority, all the while masking it as "traffic concerns" and "zoning concerns".
It is important to separate your concerns from actual facts. In actual fact, are the members of the Islamic Center of Mufreesboro breaking any laws?
In actual fact, don't they have the right to worship as do the other 200 churches in Murfreesboro?
I am not here to explain Europe or to defend Islam. I am defending the Constitution of the United States. Local people in Murfreeboro seek to take away the rights of others on the basis of fear, prejudice and religious superiority, all the while masking it as "traffic concerns" and "zoning concerns".
It is important to separate your concerns from actual facts. In actual fact, are the members of the Islamic Center of Mufreesboro breaking any laws?
In actual fact, don't they have the right to worship as do the other 200 churches in Murfreesboro?
By: jeff62TN on 8/2/10
Eric why don't you prove they dont have ties to Hamas? They could come on camera denounce terroism, Hamas and the death threat on Nonie Darwish... why won't the local Iman denounce it since they are peaceful and gentle religion. I saw the signs on the square anti Israel and pro Gaza Hamas that the local Mosque was doing... They are political not religious and your fueling this to make a buck.
Eric why don't you prove they dont have ties to Hamas? They could come on camera denounce terroism, Hamas and the death threat on Nonie Darwish... why won't the local Iman denounce it since they are peaceful and gentle religion. I saw the signs on the square anti Israel and pro Gaza Hamas that the local Mosque was doing... They are political not religious and your fueling this to make a buck.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/2/10
Jeff - Can you prove they are breaking our laws and thus should be denied the right to build a place of worship?
The local Imam has denounced terrorism until he is blue in the face.
Jeff - Can you prove they are breaking our laws and thus should be denied the right to build a place of worship?
The local Imam has denounced terrorism until he is blue in the face.
By: caronhalt on 8/2/10
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/2/10
@Caronhalt - Yes, I have watched many YouTube videos and read many articles which state exactly that.
But the million dollar question is - Should the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro be denied the right to build a place of worship because of your fears of what might happen?
@Caronhalt - Yes, I have watched many YouTube videos and read many articles which state exactly that.
But the million dollar question is - Should the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro be denied the right to build a place of worship because of your fears of what might happen?
By: Farmall on 8/2/10
The Japanese were put into internment camps for less. They didn't do anything, the muslims already have! We are just asking them to go away.
The Japanese were put into internment camps for less. They didn't do anything, the muslims already have! We are just asking them to go away.
By: redwing on 8/2/10
@Eric,local Muslims did not know about Shariah Law then you should ask the local Imam,and while your at it ask him if hesupports honor killings against women,hell ask him about genital mutilation of women.
As for the right to build a place of worship,ask the Imam if he will defend the Constitution of the United States along with the bill of rights.He will no doubt know about Shariah Law,then why should their be laws for one on one side of the street and different laws on the other side.
Ask outright to the Imam if Shariah Law should be banned in the United States,also ask him if he supports Fatwas[ to kill if one leaves Islam].
Do you have the balls,I think not,as I read above it's about the buck.
@Eric,local Muslims did not know about Shariah Law then you should ask the local Imam,and while your at it ask him if hesupports honor killings against women,hell ask him about genital mutilation of women.
As for the right to build a place of worship,ask the Imam if he will defend the Constitution of the United States along with the bill of rights.He will no doubt know about Shariah Law,then why should their be laws for one on one side of the street and different laws on the other side.
Ask outright to the Imam if Shariah Law should be banned in the United States,also ask him if he supports Fatwas[ to kill if one leaves Islam].
Do you have the balls,I think not,as I read above it's about the buck.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/2/10
Redwing - Already on my too do list, but thank you for the suggestions :) I have not gone easy on anyone, in spite of my clear bias in favor of the First Amendment.
Redwing - Already on my too do list, but thank you for the suggestions :) I have not gone easy on anyone, in spite of my clear bias in favor of the First Amendment.
By: Yojimbo on 8/3/10
Redwing, Genital mutilation (FGM) is a tribal practice and has no basis in the Q'ran whatsoever - sometimes it is justified using the Q'ran as many historical crimes committed by Western nations were justified by quoting Scripture, this does not make it a Muslim practice and in fact is practiced in many non-Muslim societies and not practiced at all in most Muslim societies.
Honor killing likewise has been common in Latin America, not known as a hotbed of Islam, and does not appear to be sanctioned by the Q'ran any more than by the Bible.
Murfreesboropastor, Shari'a is not in fact found in the Q'ran - the only "law" per se found in the Q'ran are the so-called "five pillars" - profession of faith, prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage. Shari'a is based on later judicial interpretations of the Q'ran and its contents are subject to much debate, similar to Constitutional interpretation in US law. By no means all Muslims support Shari'a, not even in Muslim countries - Turkey, for example, forbids it, and there is much debate over the role of Shari'a in countries like Pakistan. This may be similar to the discussion over Talmudic law in Israel or even the posting of the ten commandments in the US. That is, there is a wide range of opinion and reasonable minds may differ. Many Muslims, including those who for reasons of cultural identity may claim to support Shari'a, are in fact ignorant of its contents and less likely to support its implementation when educated on the subject - there have been numerous studies on this subject done in Europe.
Farmall, when you say "the muslims already have [done something]," I presume you are talking about 9/11? You may recall Pearl Harbor, which was the justification for the Japanese internment camps, a disgrace to our nation. Collective punishments are un-American, as, I believe, is "asking them to go away" because they practice a different religion.
Redwing, Genital mutilation (FGM) is a tribal practice and has no basis in the Q'ran whatsoever - sometimes it is justified using the Q'ran as many historical crimes committed by Western nations were justified by quoting Scripture, this does not make it a Muslim practice and in fact is practiced in many non-Muslim societies and not practiced at all in most Muslim societies.
Honor killing likewise has been common in Latin America, not known as a hotbed of Islam, and does not appear to be sanctioned by the Q'ran any more than by the Bible.
Murfreesboropastor, Shari'a is not in fact found in the Q'ran - the only "law" per se found in the Q'ran are the so-called "five pillars" - profession of faith, prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage. Shari'a is based on later judicial interpretations of the Q'ran and its contents are subject to much debate, similar to Constitutional interpretation in US law. By no means all Muslims support Shari'a, not even in Muslim countries - Turkey, for example, forbids it, and there is much debate over the role of Shari'a in countries like Pakistan. This may be similar to the discussion over Talmudic law in Israel or even the posting of the ten commandments in the US. That is, there is a wide range of opinion and reasonable minds may differ. Many Muslims, including those who for reasons of cultural identity may claim to support Shari'a, are in fact ignorant of its contents and less likely to support its implementation when educated on the subject - there have been numerous studies on this subject done in Europe.
Farmall, when you say "the muslims already have [done something]," I presume you are talking about 9/11? You may recall Pearl Harbor, which was the justification for the Japanese internment camps, a disgrace to our nation. Collective punishments are un-American, as, I believe, is "asking them to go away" because they practice a different religion.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/3/10
@Yojimbo - I would sure love to interview you for this documentary. Will you contact me? Eric@BellMedia.org
Thanks :)
@Yojimbo - I would sure love to interview you for this documentary. Will you contact me? Eric@BellMedia.org
Thanks :)
By: kcouncil on 8/3/10
@Farmall - Whoa, are you actually saying putting the Japanese in internment camps was a good idea? You know we actually apologized for this, right? Ask them to go away? Like we did with the black population up until the 60's, and still do in some communities?
Attention everyone - if you are not a White, Christian, Heterosexual, American with conservative views, please leave. Thank you. Have a nice day and God Bless America.
What happened to the words of Lady Liberty?
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-lost to me"
@Farmall - Whoa, are you actually saying putting the Japanese in internment camps was a good idea? You know we actually apologized for this, right? Ask them to go away? Like we did with the black population up until the 60's, and still do in some communities?
Attention everyone - if you are not a White, Christian, Heterosexual, American with conservative views, please leave. Thank you. Have a nice day and God Bless America.
What happened to the words of Lady Liberty?
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-lost to me"
By: EricAllenBell on 8/3/10
@kcouncil - "if you are not a White, Christian, Heterosexual, American with conservative views, please leave. Thank you. Have a nice day and God Bless America." THAT is more or less the type of hate mail I am getting several times a day. Amazing.
@kcouncil - "if you are not a White, Christian, Heterosexual, American with conservative views, please leave. Thank you. Have a nice day and God Bless America." THAT is more or less the type of hate mail I am getting several times a day. Amazing.
By: redwing on 8/3/10
Yojimbo,the tribes are doing pretty well in England[FMG],not practiced in most Muslim societies? Lets talk about today.
Yojimbo,the tribes are doing pretty well in England[FMG],not practiced in most Muslim societies? Lets talk about today.
By: Yojimbo on 8/3/10
Redwing,
Sorry - perhaps I was using unfamiliar terms. When I say it is a "tribal custom," I mean that the practice today dates back to and is based in the pre-Christian or pre-Islamic tribal traditions and is not drawn from any monotheistic religious text or custom. If you have reason to believe that FGM (also called FGC) is being practiced in MOST Muslim societies (my impression is that many Muslim groups have issued statements against the practice, which is on the wane) or that it has some kind of Q'ranic basis, please share your unbiased source. BTW, it is also thoroughly illegal in the UK. Enforcement is difficult, as with any sort of child abuse.
Redwing,
Sorry - perhaps I was using unfamiliar terms. When I say it is a "tribal custom," I mean that the practice today dates back to and is based in the pre-Christian or pre-Islamic tribal traditions and is not drawn from any monotheistic religious text or custom. If you have reason to believe that FGM (also called FGC) is being practiced in MOST Muslim societies (my impression is that many Muslim groups have issued statements against the practice, which is on the wane) or that it has some kind of Q'ranic basis, please share your unbiased source. BTW, it is also thoroughly illegal in the UK. Enforcement is difficult, as with any sort of child abuse.
By: redwing on 8/3/10
Yojimbo,
Feel free to read Ayaan Hirsi Ali,Wafa Sultan,Nonie Darwish.Could you please answer: the death threats made against these very well spoken women.Perhaps you will join Eric when and if he has questions for the local Imam,if Eric is also reading this,some questions to ask will follow.
FGM is also illegal in the US and Canada,if it is on the wane I sure would like to read about it.
Yojimbo,
Feel free to read Ayaan Hirsi Ali,Wafa Sultan,Nonie Darwish.Could you please answer: the death threats made against these very well spoken women.Perhaps you will join Eric when and if he has questions for the local Imam,if Eric is also reading this,some questions to ask will follow.
FGM is also illegal in the US and Canada,if it is on the wane I sure would like to read about it.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/3/10
Nonie Darwish has zero credibility with me. She says that it is the religious duty of ALL Muslims to kill the unbeliever and that they are in America to take over. Bullshit.
Nonie Darwish has zero credibility with me. She says that it is the religious duty of ALL Muslims to kill the unbeliever and that they are in America to take over. Bullshit.
By: Macgyver on 8/3/10
TMP needs to display the IP address of the posted comment. To me it seems a few of these usernames could be from the same person.
TMP needs to display the IP address of the posted comment. To me it seems a few of these usernames could be from the same person.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/4/10
Was kinda thinking the same thing. When you attend your own public stoning, you start to take notice of what shape the stones are :)
Was kinda thinking the same thing. When you attend your own public stoning, you start to take notice of what shape the stones are :)
By: MichelleWillard on 8/4/10
Only one screen name is allowed per IP address. I look after it myself.
Only one screen name is allowed per IP address. I look after it myself.
By: redwing on 8/4/10
@EricAllenBell
This should be good reading for you when you interview the local Imam.Just Google,
Sujit Das: Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography.
Oh by the way,take a lady friend with you and tell all when she attempts to shake hands with the Imam upon meeting.Eric,these great women that I talked about have free speech in the US,do they in a Muslim country? Happy Reading,Yojimbo you should have a read yourself also.
@EricAllenBell
This should be good reading for you when you interview the local Imam.Just Google,
Sujit Das: Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography.
Oh by the way,take a lady friend with you and tell all when she attempts to shake hands with the Imam upon meeting.Eric,these great women that I talked about have free speech in the US,do they in a Muslim country? Happy Reading,Yojimbo you should have a read yourself also.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/4/10
I will read that. Thank you.
I will read that. Thank you.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/4/10
However, just to be clear. I am not here to defend Islam or the mosque. I am here to defend the Constitution - the First Amendment specifically. I cannot answer for someone's religion.
My only concern is that, regardless of how a group of people feel about another group of people, we can't start taking away their Constitutional rights. That harms everyone in the long run.
However, just to be clear. I am not here to defend Islam or the mosque. I am here to defend the Constitution - the First Amendment specifically. I cannot answer for someone's religion.
My only concern is that, regardless of how a group of people feel about another group of people, we can't start taking away their Constitutional rights. That harms everyone in the long run.
By: kcouncil on 8/4/10
Eric, have you noticed you keep repeating yourself, but nobody is listening? Just because other cultures are different than ours, is it our job to judge? I'm not talking about FGM. That is abuse plain and simple and denounced as much by most of the world. But different societies place women in different places. I'm not saying this is right. But our culture was exactly like this not too many years ago. This is about the Constitution. You can't have it both ways people.
Eric, have you noticed you keep repeating yourself, but nobody is listening? Just because other cultures are different than ours, is it our job to judge? I'm not talking about FGM. That is abuse plain and simple and denounced as much by most of the world. But different societies place women in different places. I'm not saying this is right. But our culture was exactly like this not too many years ago. This is about the Constitution. You can't have it both ways people.
By: BoltAction on 8/4/10
Back to my initial statement. One board member has already been dismissed for his views on hamas and jihad. I hope Mr. Bell decides to include that in his "film".
And what is it with all these Californians coming here? It wasn't enough to completely screw up your own state so now you have to move east and find another state to destroy.
Back to my initial statement. One board member has already been dismissed for his views on hamas and jihad. I hope Mr. Bell decides to include that in his "film".
And what is it with all these Californians coming here? It wasn't enough to completely screw up your own state so now you have to move east and find another state to destroy.
By: publius on 8/4/10
I oppose the mosque I opposed the christian theme park too. I don't think these people are terrorists. I just want to live my life with out all the drama that these institutions bring. I am tired of people using the constitution and bill of rights for their own gain and then try to deny others. We have real problems in this country.
I oppose the mosque I opposed the christian theme park too. I don't think these people are terrorists. I just want to live my life with out all the drama that these institutions bring. I am tired of people using the constitution and bill of rights for their own gain and then try to deny others. We have real problems in this country.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/5/10
I feel that it is perfectly acceptable for you not to like a certain culture, to have concerns or suspicions. But when you try to stop them from building a place of worship, that is when you get into violating their Constitutional rights.
There is a difference between someone breaking the law versus you think they might or suspect they are. Until you can prove that they have broken the law, the have a right to build their place of worship.
So the burden of proof is on you. Don't take away their Constitutional rights because you will set a precedent for some group to come along and take away your rights next.
My loyalty is not to Islam or Liberals or Conservatives, it is to the Constitution of the United States. That is my bias in making this documentary and I don't apologize for it.
I feel that it is perfectly acceptable for you not to like a certain culture, to have concerns or suspicions. But when you try to stop them from building a place of worship, that is when you get into violating their Constitutional rights.
There is a difference between someone breaking the law versus you think they might or suspect they are. Until you can prove that they have broken the law, the have a right to build their place of worship.
So the burden of proof is on you. Don't take away their Constitutional rights because you will set a precedent for some group to come along and take away your rights next.
My loyalty is not to Islam or Liberals or Conservatives, it is to the Constitution of the United States. That is my bias in making this documentary and I don't apologize for it.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/5/10
Eric Bell's loyalty is to HBO who is funding his project.
Eric Bell's loyalty is to HBO who is funding his project.
By: redwing on 8/5/10
@EricAllenBell,
I fully agree with you:loyalty to the C o t US.Should we then ask about these Islamists with their political agenda to alter the form of our democratic laws to include Shariah,please enlighten me about the first amendment,should we still call Islam a religion?
@EricAllenBell,
I fully agree with you:loyalty to the C o t US.Should we then ask about these Islamists with their political agenda to alter the form of our democratic laws to include Shariah,please enlighten me about the first amendment,should we still call Islam a religion?
By: caronhalt on 8/5/10
EricAllenBell.
You do understand that Islam is an ideology,and that no ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.
Islam is not simply a belief about God. It is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that establish a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.
Since we don't live in a Muslim country (where censorship, intimidation and brute force are shamelessly employed to protect Islam from logical analysis), we are still free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism.
Are men really superior to women as the Qur'an says? Are women intellectually inferior as Muhammad taught? Does propagating material (the Qur'an) that openly curses people of other religions amidst random calls to violence really make for a better social environment? Is it right to keep women as sex slaves merely because the Qur'an explicitly allows it in multiple places? Should atheists and homosexuals have to choose between the noose and an outward profession of faith in Allah?
Yes, there are Muslims who take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology, but it doesn't change what Islam is.
Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented objectively in the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad).
EricAllenBell.
You do understand that Islam is an ideology,and that no ideology is above critique, particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet.
Islam is not simply a belief about God. It is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that establish a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.
Since we don't live in a Muslim country (where censorship, intimidation and brute force are shamelessly employed to protect Islam from logical analysis), we are still free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism.
Are men really superior to women as the Qur'an says? Are women intellectually inferior as Muhammad taught? Does propagating material (the Qur'an) that openly curses people of other religions amidst random calls to violence really make for a better social environment? Is it right to keep women as sex slaves merely because the Qur'an explicitly allows it in multiple places? Should atheists and homosexuals have to choose between the noose and an outward profession of faith in Allah?
Yes, there are Muslims who take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology, but it doesn't change what Islam is.
Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented objectively in the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad).
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/5/10
You're wasting your time. He is backed by HBO documentaries. He is looking to make big money and has no interest in Murfreesboro TN.
You're wasting your time. He is backed by HBO documentaries. He is looking to make big money and has no interest in Murfreesboro TN.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/6/10
I am not here to defend Islam or the mosque. I am here to defend the Constitution - the First Amendment specifically. I cannot answer for someone's religion.
I am not here to defend Islam or the mosque. I am here to defend the Constitution - the First Amendment specifically. I cannot answer for someone's religion.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/6/10
notice he didn't deny the HBO thing?
notice he didn't deny the HBO thing?
By: EricAllenBell on 8/6/10
@Redwing - I think that given there are about 1.4 billion Muslims in the world and that Islam has been considered a religion for about 1,400 years that yes, you do have to consider it a religion. Now, is there a political component to that and if so, what is it? That can be debated without a doubt.
However, within the scope of my documentary, Islam is a religion. You have a right not to like it, not to agree with it, but no one has a right to tell Muslims here in the United States that they do not have a right to build a place of worship.
@Redwing - I think that given there are about 1.4 billion Muslims in the world and that Islam has been considered a religion for about 1,400 years that yes, you do have to consider it a religion. Now, is there a political component to that and if so, what is it? That can be debated without a doubt.
However, within the scope of my documentary, Islam is a religion. You have a right not to like it, not to agree with it, but no one has a right to tell Muslims here in the United States that they do not have a right to build a place of worship.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/6/10
Notice how Eric ignores the fact that he is working for HBO?
Notice how Eric ignores the fact that he is working for HBO?
By: EricAllenBell on 8/6/10
I do not work for HBO.
I do not work for HBO.
By: murfreesboropastor on 8/6/10
and so the denial starts... Ha Ha Ha... You're not the only one that works in the industry Eric ;-)
and so the denial starts... Ha Ha Ha... You're not the only one that works in the industry Eric ;-)
By: redwing on 8/7/10
@EricAllenBell and to all here that have made comments.Eric I did mention earlier about questions for the local Imam.This also will make for some very good reading[ it should be read by all Muslims/who beleive in Islam].Let me say first that it is a long read.Eric,in reading this book I hope you will derive from it the many questions and I say many questions for the local Imam or any other Imam to ask.
It is a book UNDER NO COPYRIGHT LAW.
It is by Sujit Das.
You can try Acrobat.com
Or you may Google: Muhammad,The Malignant Narcissist and His Grand Delusion Allah.
But one question I do have,why a men's only prayer room in a Mosque.
@EricAllenBell and to all here that have made comments.Eric I did mention earlier about questions for the local Imam.This also will make for some very good reading[ it should be read by all Muslims/who beleive in Islam].Let me say first that it is a long read.Eric,in reading this book I hope you will derive from it the many questions and I say many questions for the local Imam or any other Imam to ask.
It is a book UNDER NO COPYRIGHT LAW.
It is by Sujit Das.
You can try Acrobat.com
Or you may Google: Muhammad,The Malignant Narcissist and His Grand Delusion Allah.
But one question I do have,why a men's only prayer room in a Mosque.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/7/10
@Redwing - Believe it or not I started studying Islam out of curiosity in 2000. My documentary is not out to prove or disprove Islam however.
I don't care if it were a group of people praying to the Teletubbies with a global objective of taking over the world and making us all pray to Tinkee Winkee (that's the gay one, right?). My only concern is that a group of people who are law abiding not be denied their First Amendment rights under the Constitution. Period.
@Redwing - Believe it or not I started studying Islam out of curiosity in 2000. My documentary is not out to prove or disprove Islam however.
I don't care if it were a group of people praying to the Teletubbies with a global objective of taking over the world and making us all pray to Tinkee Winkee (that's the gay one, right?). My only concern is that a group of people who are law abiding not be denied their First Amendment rights under the Constitution. Period.
By: redwing on 8/7/10
Eric,I'll take Teletubbies global objectives over Islam any day[ LOVE ].
Question,are you or are you not going to read which I noted above,as it stands right now they are not being denied their First Amendments rights,many people are concerned about the long term effects,just look around the world where Islam has taken hold,and then ask about The United States Constitution and the First Amendments rights.Eric,many people are very concerned,WHY,don't dare criticize Islam,well it's time Muslims open up to criticism.Do ask in your Doc/film these concerns and why so many Mosques are being built in the US at and or about the same time.Eric,do not be afraid to ask some VERY serious questions.
Eric,I'll take Teletubbies global objectives over Islam any day[ LOVE ].
Question,are you or are you not going to read which I noted above,as it stands right now they are not being denied their First Amendments rights,many people are concerned about the long term effects,just look around the world where Islam has taken hold,and then ask about The United States Constitution and the First Amendments rights.Eric,many people are very concerned,WHY,don't dare criticize Islam,well it's time Muslims open up to criticism.Do ask in your Doc/film these concerns and why so many Mosques are being built in the US at and or about the same time.Eric,do not be afraid to ask some VERY serious questions.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/7/10
The documentary very thoroughly covers ALL of the reasons why Murfreesboro residents have had concerns about the new Islamic Center.
It also covers thoroughly why people showed up in counter-protest to the march against the mosque.
I talk to Muslims about their faith, Christians about their faith, agnostics, atheists, etc.
But the issue at hand is whether or not the government should stop a religious organization from building a place of worship based on what they THINK that this group MIGHT do.
The documentary very thoroughly covers ALL of the reasons why Murfreesboro residents have had concerns about the new Islamic Center.
It also covers thoroughly why people showed up in counter-protest to the march against the mosque.
I talk to Muslims about their faith, Christians about their faith, agnostics, atheists, etc.
But the issue at hand is whether or not the government should stop a religious organization from building a place of worship based on what they THINK that this group MIGHT do.
By: ellie on 8/12/10
Do you remember who said, "The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. ... The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam." - G.W. Bush 9/20/01
Look how far have we regressed since President Bush spoke these words. Amazing how this community has allowed the bigotry, ignorance and fear preached by Fox News and the teaparty to fuel their hate and fear. Ignorance is no excuse. Murfreesboro is a simply a victim of ignorance born from a lack of diversity.
Do you remember who said, "The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. ... The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam." - G.W. Bush 9/20/01
Look how far have we regressed since President Bush spoke these words. Amazing how this community has allowed the bigotry, ignorance and fear preached by Fox News and the teaparty to fuel their hate and fear. Ignorance is no excuse. Murfreesboro is a simply a victim of ignorance born from a lack of diversity.
By: ellie on 8/12/10
The Bush administration began a serious effort to seek out and support moderate Islam. Since then, Washington has funded mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers that are trying to modernize Islam around the world.
Education is the way to defeat radical Islam, not alienation.
A two-year study by a group of academics on American Muslims and terrorism concluded that contemporary mosques are actually a deterrent to the spread of militant Islam and terrorism. The study was conducted by professors with Duke’s Sanford School of Public Policy and the University of North Carolina. It disclosed that many mosque leaders had put significant effort into countering extremism by building youth programs, sponsoring antiviolence forums and scrutinizing teachers and texts.
The Bush administration began a serious effort to seek out and support moderate Islam. Since then, Washington has funded mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers that are trying to modernize Islam around the world.
Education is the way to defeat radical Islam, not alienation.
A two-year study by a group of academics on American Muslims and terrorism concluded that contemporary mosques are actually a deterrent to the spread of militant Islam and terrorism. The study was conducted by professors with Duke’s Sanford School of Public Policy and the University of North Carolina. It disclosed that many mosque leaders had put significant effort into countering extremism by building youth programs, sponsoring antiviolence forums and scrutinizing teachers and texts.
By: dburrows on 8/13/10
@EricAllenBell
Eric writes:
"I feel that it is perfectly acceptable for you not to like a certain culture, to have concerns or suspicions. But when you try to stop them from building a place of worship, that is when you get into violating their Constitutional rights."
Did we violate constitutional rights when we denied Wal*Mart the privilege to build in northern Murfreesboro?
"Local people in Murfreeboro seek to take away the rights of others on the basis of fear, prejudice and religious superiority, all the while masking it as "traffic concerns" and "zoning concerns"."
Really, you can read the hearts and minds of those concerned to know they're just masking their fear, prejudice and religious superiority? And those concerned have a goal of 'taking away the rights of others?'
No, this is pure conjecture and ad hominem on your part. Unless you have some sort of extra sensory perception, you can only speculate as to the 'true motives' of those opposed. Instead your statement presumes that everyone who is opposed is simply lying.
If that's the game, then we can say something like 'Eric Bell simply wants to make a name for himself by creating division in our community and ignoring the facts, all the while masking it as 'defending the constitutional rights of others'.
It's ad hominem because your statement attacks the character of those opposed by suggesting their intent is simply to take away the rights of others.
@EricAllenBell
Eric writes:
"I feel that it is perfectly acceptable for you not to like a certain culture, to have concerns or suspicions. But when you try to stop them from building a place of worship, that is when you get into violating their Constitutional rights."
Did we violate constitutional rights when we denied Wal*Mart the privilege to build in northern Murfreesboro?
"Local people in Murfreeboro seek to take away the rights of others on the basis of fear, prejudice and religious superiority, all the while masking it as "traffic concerns" and "zoning concerns"."
Really, you can read the hearts and minds of those concerned to know they're just masking their fear, prejudice and religious superiority? And those concerned have a goal of 'taking away the rights of others?'
No, this is pure conjecture and ad hominem on your part. Unless you have some sort of extra sensory perception, you can only speculate as to the 'true motives' of those opposed. Instead your statement presumes that everyone who is opposed is simply lying.
If that's the game, then we can say something like 'Eric Bell simply wants to make a name for himself by creating division in our community and ignoring the facts, all the while masking it as 'defending the constitutional rights of others'.
It's ad hominem because your statement attacks the character of those opposed by suggesting their intent is simply to take away the rights of others.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/13/10
It's plainly clear from the massive amounts of footage I have shot, interviews I have conducted, etc. etc. The overriding factor in attempting to deny the ICM their Constitutional right to build is religious superiority.
It's plainly clear from the massive amounts of footage I have shot, interviews I have conducted, etc. etc. The overriding factor in attempting to deny the ICM their Constitutional right to build is religious superiority.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/13/10
^ having concerns, distrust, dislike, etc. is your right. Have your parades. Preach your sermons Do what you need to do. But don't hijack the legal system to deny a minority group their Constitutional rights.
^ having concerns, distrust, dislike, etc. is your right. Have your parades. Preach your sermons Do what you need to do. But don't hijack the legal system to deny a minority group their Constitutional rights.
By: dburrows on 8/16/10
@EricAllenBell
Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.
It's plainly clear from everything I've read about you, these comments here, etc. etc. that the overriding factor in attempting to promote extra privilege to the ICM over everyone else is your own ignorance.
Having concerns, distrust, dislike, etc. is your right. Have your parades. Preach your sermons, do what you need to do. But don't hijack the legal system to give special privilege to a minority group under the guise of Constitutional rights.
@EricAllenBell
Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.
It's plainly clear from everything I've read about you, these comments here, etc. etc. that the overriding factor in attempting to promote extra privilege to the ICM over everyone else is your own ignorance.
Having concerns, distrust, dislike, etc. is your right. Have your parades. Preach your sermons, do what you need to do. But don't hijack the legal system to give special privilege to a minority group under the guise of Constitutional rights.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/16/10
No one is asking for "special privilege" and I'm not sure where you got that from. We are asking that the ICM be given the same First Amendment Constitutional rights that the nearly 200 churches in Murfreesboro presently enjoy.
No one is asking for "special privilege" and I'm not sure where you got that from. We are asking that the ICM be given the same First Amendment Constitutional rights that the nearly 200 churches in Murfreesboro presently enjoy.
By: dburrows on 8/16/10
@EricAllenBell:
Because of the way the ICM building was approved (which is hardly the method that any building approval goes through, church or not) the ICM has gotten special privilege and you are endorsing such actions while masking it as the defense of First Amendment Constitutional rights. Incidentally the first amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the right to build 52,000 square foot buildings wherever you want.
Why weren't you here to document the backlash against the last two proposed WalMart's? The Target? The Tennis Courts? Were the developers having their first amendment rights denied then, too?
@EricAllenBell:
Because of the way the ICM building was approved (which is hardly the method that any building approval goes through, church or not) the ICM has gotten special privilege and you are endorsing such actions while masking it as the defense of First Amendment Constitutional rights. Incidentally the first amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the right to build 52,000 square foot buildings wherever you want.
Why weren't you here to document the backlash against the last two proposed WalMart's? The Target? The Tennis Courts? Were the developers having their first amendment rights denied then, too?
By: EricAllenBell on 8/16/10
dburrows -
Let's cut right to the chase here. World Outreach Church of Murfreesboro is many, many times the size of the new proposed Islamic Center.
The "story" that the approval was rushed through is total propaganda. It simply is not true.
The real truth is here is painfully simple. In a town with nearly 200 churches, the religious establishment here does not want a mosque.
dburrows -
Let's cut right to the chase here. World Outreach Church of Murfreesboro is many, many times the size of the new proposed Islamic Center.
The "story" that the approval was rushed through is total propaganda. It simply is not true.
The real truth is here is painfully simple. In a town with nearly 200 churches, the religious establishment here does not want a mosque.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/16/10
And by the way - Target and WalMart's First Amendment rights? I should have been here to document that? Have you read the First Ammendment? Are these fine stores religious establishments?
Turn off the 700 Club and pick up the Constitution and read it.
And by the way - Target and WalMart's First Amendment rights? I should have been here to document that? Have you read the First Ammendment? Are these fine stores religious establishments?
Turn off the 700 Club and pick up the Constitution and read it.
By: dburrows on 8/16/10
@EricAllenBell:
you write:
"The "story" that the approval was rushed through is total propaganda. It simply is not true."
What style of argument is that? Thus saith EricAllenBell.... ? "It simply is not true." If you assert it enough do you believe it makes it so? And you're a documentarian? Oy vey...
It took WOC 5 yrs to get approval to build their latest expansion on land they've owned and operated on for over 30 years. They had to fit the bill for the intersection at their entrance on New Salem. It took the ICM 1 day with a notice in the local paper the day before. Where's the propaganda?
As I said:
"Incidentally the first amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the right to build 52,000 square foot buildings wherever you want."
For some reason you state:
"We are asking that the ICM be given the same First Amendment Constitutional rights that the nearly 200 churches in Murfreesboro presently enjoy."
What first amendment rights are they being denied? Please explain the correlation since you keep confusing the first amendment with some 'right' to build 52,000 sq ft complexes.
you write:
"In a town with nearly 200 churches, the religious establishment here does not want a mosque."
'The religious establishment'? What religious establishment? Did all nearly 200 churches suddenly decide to create this religious establishment? They all get along now? Are the Kingdom Halls counted? How about the Jehovah Witnesses that built around the corner from WOC last December? No one seemed to care when they built their facility that met their needs just fine. What constitutes a church? If they only have a 10,000 sq ft facility are they counted? What if it's less then that? It must be some conspiracy...
@EricAllenBell:
you write:
"The "story" that the approval was rushed through is total propaganda. It simply is not true."
What style of argument is that? Thus saith EricAllenBell.... ? "It simply is not true." If you assert it enough do you believe it makes it so? And you're a documentarian? Oy vey...
It took WOC 5 yrs to get approval to build their latest expansion on land they've owned and operated on for over 30 years. They had to fit the bill for the intersection at their entrance on New Salem. It took the ICM 1 day with a notice in the local paper the day before. Where's the propaganda?
As I said:
"Incidentally the first amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the right to build 52,000 square foot buildings wherever you want."
For some reason you state:
"We are asking that the ICM be given the same First Amendment Constitutional rights that the nearly 200 churches in Murfreesboro presently enjoy."
What first amendment rights are they being denied? Please explain the correlation since you keep confusing the first amendment with some 'right' to build 52,000 sq ft complexes.
you write:
"In a town with nearly 200 churches, the religious establishment here does not want a mosque."
'The religious establishment'? What religious establishment? Did all nearly 200 churches suddenly decide to create this religious establishment? They all get along now? Are the Kingdom Halls counted? How about the Jehovah Witnesses that built around the corner from WOC last December? No one seemed to care when they built their facility that met their needs just fine. What constitutes a church? If they only have a 10,000 sq ft facility are they counted? What if it's less then that? It must be some conspiracy...
By: EricAllenBell on 8/16/10
dburrows -
Again, let's cut to the chase. Your objection to the ICM is on religious grounds. The rest of it is trying to come up with some legal angle to stop the Muslims.
dburrows -
Again, let's cut to the chase. Your objection to the ICM is on religious grounds. The rest of it is trying to come up with some legal angle to stop the Muslims.
By: dburrows on 8/17/10
@EricAllenBell:
"Again, let's cut to the chase."
What nonsense is this? You seem to do this when you don't have anything to back up your arguments with. How about actually dealing with my questions?
"Your objection to the ICM is on religious grounds."
*MY* objection is? Have we met? When did we discuss this? Oh, wait, you have some sort of crystal ball. Now you seem to know me (along with every other person opposed to the ICMs building plans.)
"The rest of it is trying to come up with some legal angle to stop the Muslims."
More divination? Or just psycho assertionism?
What first amendment rights are members of the ICM being denied? Please explain the correlation.
What is 'the religious establishment' in Murfreesboro and how are they denying these rights?
Since you are making these assertions, you need to back them up. Otherwise we may as well write off your entire shtick as a sham we can safely ignore.
@EricAllenBell:
"Again, let's cut to the chase."
What nonsense is this? You seem to do this when you don't have anything to back up your arguments with. How about actually dealing with my questions?
"Your objection to the ICM is on religious grounds."
*MY* objection is? Have we met? When did we discuss this? Oh, wait, you have some sort of crystal ball. Now you seem to know me (along with every other person opposed to the ICMs building plans.)
"The rest of it is trying to come up with some legal angle to stop the Muslims."
More divination? Or just psycho assertionism?
What first amendment rights are members of the ICM being denied? Please explain the correlation.
What is 'the religious establishment' in Murfreesboro and how are they denying these rights?
Since you are making these assertions, you need to back them up. Otherwise we may as well write off your entire shtick as a sham we can safely ignore.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/17/10
I think you realize that I cut to chase because we both know that you are arguing all of this because you believe Islam to be a false religion and Christianity to be the only true way.
Since that is evident to me and you know deep down that I am right, why go back and forth on this? We're not in a court of law.
Why not just admit why you are doing this?
I think you realize that I cut to chase because we both know that you are arguing all of this because you believe Islam to be a false religion and Christianity to be the only true way.
Since that is evident to me and you know deep down that I am right, why go back and forth on this? We're not in a court of law.
Why not just admit why you are doing this?
By: redwing on 8/17/10
The Muslim man was caught stealing a loaf of bread,come with us as they grabbed him by the hand.
The Muslim man was caught stealing a loaf of bread,come with us as they grabbed him by the hand.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/18/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AelIxlq11Hg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AelIxlq11Hg
By: dburrows on 8/18/10
@EricAllenBell:
"I think you realize that I cut to chase..."
Well that crystal ball must not be working very well. I think you dodge the issues because you don't have a leg to stand on and then call it 'cut to the chase' so as to avoid pussyfooting around the issues.
"...because we both know that you are arguing all of this because you believe Islam to be a false religion and Christianity to be the only true way."
You seem to have come to those conclusions but refuse (by dodging) to demonstrate how. If you assert it enough, does that make it so? I believe there's a word that describes such nonsense: delusional.
"Since that is evident to me..."
Yet you cannot demonstrate how...
"...and you know deep down that I am right,..."
How do you know what I know? Deep down, no less.
"...why go back and forth on this?"
Who's going back and forth? Why don't you start dealing with the issues? Just about everything you say presupposes certain conclusions but you refuse (cannot?) to state how you've come to them.
"We're not in a court of law."
Why are you telling me this? Did I say we were? If so, where did I say this? Did you make this up in your mind as you've done everything else you state here but won't back up?
"Why not just admit why you are doing this?"
What is 'this' that I am doing?
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AelIxlq11Hg"
Did you post this to take the attention off yourself? Were you hoping it would answer the questions for you?
@EricAllenBell:
"I think you realize that I cut to chase..."
Well that crystal ball must not be working very well. I think you dodge the issues because you don't have a leg to stand on and then call it 'cut to the chase' so as to avoid pussyfooting around the issues.
"...because we both know that you are arguing all of this because you believe Islam to be a false religion and Christianity to be the only true way."
You seem to have come to those conclusions but refuse (by dodging) to demonstrate how. If you assert it enough, does that make it so? I believe there's a word that describes such nonsense: delusional.
"Since that is evident to me..."
Yet you cannot demonstrate how...
"...and you know deep down that I am right,..."
How do you know what I know? Deep down, no less.
"...why go back and forth on this?"
Who's going back and forth? Why don't you start dealing with the issues? Just about everything you say presupposes certain conclusions but you refuse (cannot?) to state how you've come to them.
"We're not in a court of law."
Why are you telling me this? Did I say we were? If so, where did I say this? Did you make this up in your mind as you've done everything else you state here but won't back up?
"Why not just admit why you are doing this?"
What is 'this' that I am doing?
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AelIxlq11Hg"
Did you post this to take the attention off yourself? Were you hoping it would answer the questions for you?
By: EricAllenBell on 8/18/10
I'm not going to argue with you like a lawyer. Arguing is for idiots.
Your motives are clear.
I'm not going to argue with you like a lawyer. Arguing is for idiots.
Your motives are clear.
By: dburrows on 8/18/10
@EricAllenBell
Argue like a lawyer? Actually I don't think you could. Creating sound, reasoned arguments by which you base your opinions and ideas on are for those who can think clearly. But since you are delusional, you aren't able to.
Your actions are clear. Run away when exposed. What a moron.
@EricAllenBell
Argue like a lawyer? Actually I don't think you could. Creating sound, reasoned arguments by which you base your opinions and ideas on are for those who can think clearly. But since you are delusional, you aren't able to.
Your actions are clear. Run away when exposed. What a moron.
By: EricAllenBell on 8/18/10
Can I ask you a simple yes or no question - Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?
Can I ask you a simple yes or no question - Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?
By: dburrows on 8/18/10
@EricAllenBell
"Can I ask you a simple yes or no question"
Can you?
"Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?"
Well, you did, so you can. Yes.
Now, if you are wanting to get into a discussion of my faith (which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue we're discussing) in order to draw unfounded conclusions (I presume this is so based on your comments here and elsewhere) then I will first ask a question of you.
You asked "Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?" What I want to know is, how did you come to know the word 'of'?
Currently I'm under the impression that you are delusional since all you do is assert and, I presume, figure we are supposed to believe your assertions. It is impossible to have a rational conversation with someone who is delusional since they can't actually make any logical sense.
In order for me to know otherwise I need you to show me how you came to know the word. Since the answer to my question actually determines your question, then without a decent answer I am within reason to dismiss your question as nonsense.
And you also have these pending:
What first amendment rights are members of the ICM being denied? Please explain the correlation since you keep making this claim.
What is 'the religious establishment' in Murfreesboro and how are they denying these rights?
@EricAllenBell
"Can I ask you a simple yes or no question"
Can you?
"Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?"
Well, you did, so you can. Yes.
Now, if you are wanting to get into a discussion of my faith (which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue we're discussing) in order to draw unfounded conclusions (I presume this is so based on your comments here and elsewhere) then I will first ask a question of you.
You asked "Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?" What I want to know is, how did you come to know the word 'of'?
Currently I'm under the impression that you are delusional since all you do is assert and, I presume, figure we are supposed to believe your assertions. It is impossible to have a rational conversation with someone who is delusional since they can't actually make any logical sense.
In order for me to know otherwise I need you to show me how you came to know the word. Since the answer to my question actually determines your question, then without a decent answer I am within reason to dismiss your question as nonsense.
And you also have these pending:
What first amendment rights are members of the ICM being denied? Please explain the correlation since you keep making this claim.
What is 'the religious establishment' in Murfreesboro and how are they denying these rights?
By: EricAllenBell on 8/18/10
There has been a failed attempt on the part of religiously motivated people in Rutherford County to abuse the legal system in order to deny the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro the right to build a place of worship.
There has been a failed attempt on the part of religiously motivated people in Rutherford County to abuse the legal system in order to deny the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro the right to build a place of worship.
By: dburrows on 8/19/10
@EricAllenBell
Wording it differently doesn't change much.
"There has been a failed attempt on the part of religiously motivated people..."
How do you define 'religiously motivated'? Are only these 'religiously motivated' people opposed? Are you saying there isn't a single person opposed to the building that is not religiously motivated OR are you saying there is not a single person opposed for reasons outside their 'religious motivations'? Or something else? And how do you know this? Have you interviewed every single person in order to come to this conclusion?
Your statement is a sweeping generalization that is not only a logical fallacy but also religiously bigoted. I could just as well claim that you yourself are being intolerant of 'religiously motivated' people by not listening to their concerns while making ad hominem accusations about their intentions. Therefore you are a bigot.
"...in Rutherford County to abuse the legal system..."
How is the legal system being abused?
"...in order to deny the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro the right to build a place of worship."
So now all 'religiously motivated people' in Rutherford want to deny the ICM the 'right' to build? You didn't say 'certain religiously motivated' or 'some people with religious motivations'...
While I'm sure there are some 'religiously motivated people' who want to do this on some 'religiously motivated' grounds can you truly classify all of them this way? No, still, you consistently (here and elsewhere) dismiss the concerns of people because they are (presumed, on your part) Christians regardless of how valid their concerns are. You are religiously intolerant, prejudiced and bigoted.
Even further your statement presupposes that the ICM (or anyone else, for that matter) has (or should have) a 'right' to build a place of worship. Where does this 'right' come from? Do places of worship always consist of 52,000 sq ft complexes? Does anyone have a 'right' to build a 52,000 sq ft facility wherever they want? Or if I call my own proposed 52,000 sq ft facility a 'place of worship' then do I have a 'right' to build it? Is that all that needs to happen? All this time, all that had to happen for any proposed building that's been shot down, is to label it a 'place of worship?'
I'm figuring that your statement was your attempt to answer or rephrase the issue to this question:
What is 'the religious establishment' in Murfreesboro and how are they denying these rights?
Some 'documentarian'. Try again.
And still pending:
How did you come to know the word 'of'?
What first amendment rights are members of the ICM being denied? Please explain the correlation since you keep making this claim.
@EricAllenBell
Wording it differently doesn't change much.
"There has been a failed attempt on the part of religiously motivated people..."
How do you define 'religiously motivated'? Are only these 'religiously motivated' people opposed? Are you saying there isn't a single person opposed to the building that is not religiously motivated OR are you saying there is not a single person opposed for reasons outside their 'religious motivations'? Or something else? And how do you know this? Have you interviewed every single person in order to come to this conclusion?
Your statement is a sweeping generalization that is not only a logical fallacy but also religiously bigoted. I could just as well claim that you yourself are being intolerant of 'religiously motivated' people by not listening to their concerns while making ad hominem accusations about their intentions. Therefore you are a bigot.
"...in Rutherford County to abuse the legal system..."
How is the legal system being abused?
"...in order to deny the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro the right to build a place of worship."
So now all 'religiously motivated people' in Rutherford want to deny the ICM the 'right' to build? You didn't say 'certain religiously motivated' or 'some people with religious motivations'...
While I'm sure there are some 'religiously motivated people' who want to do this on some 'religiously motivated' grounds can you truly classify all of them this way? No, still, you consistently (here and elsewhere) dismiss the concerns of people because they are (presumed, on your part) Christians regardless of how valid their concerns are. You are religiously intolerant, prejudiced and bigoted.
Even further your statement presupposes that the ICM (or anyone else, for that matter) has (or should have) a 'right' to build a place of worship. Where does this 'right' come from? Do places of worship always consist of 52,000 sq ft complexes? Does anyone have a 'right' to build a 52,000 sq ft facility wherever they want? Or if I call my own proposed 52,000 sq ft facility a 'place of worship' then do I have a 'right' to build it? Is that all that needs to happen? All this time, all that had to happen for any proposed building that's been shot down, is to label it a 'place of worship?'
I'm figuring that your statement was your attempt to answer or rephrase the issue to this question:
What is 'the religious establishment' in Murfreesboro and how are they denying these rights?
Some 'documentarian'. Try again.
And still pending:
How did you come to know the word 'of'?
What first amendment rights are members of the ICM being denied? Please explain the correlation since you keep making this claim.
By: redwing on 8/19/10
Could someone let me know about the you tube video .com/watch?v,I was not able to view as it read no longer available.
Thank you
Could someone let me know about the you tube video .com/watch?v,I was not able to view as it read no longer available.
Thank you
By: dburrows on 8/20/10
@redwing
It's still there. It's just a couple minutes of Jase Short making bogus claims without anything to back them up like his friend Bell has been doing.
@redwing
It's still there. It's just a couple minutes of Jase Short making bogus claims without anything to back them up like his friend Bell has been doing.
By: EricAllenBell on 10/17/10
Here is a YouTube video that I think may interest you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqfhjUbEfzA
Here is a YouTube video that I think may interest you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqfhjUbEfzA
By: EricAllenBell on 10/17/10
But here is what I think you are actually looking for:
http://www.chasingevil.org/2010/10/holy-war-yall.html
But here is what I think you are actually looking for:
http://www.chasingevil.org/2010/10/holy-war-yall.html