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By: les6216 on 8/27/09
Health insurance reform is long overdue!! When my very healthy 24 y/o children were able to obtain insurance for $150/mo with an $1000 deductible AND riders on their knees (due to high school sports injuries), I knew that we had reached bottom. Why were they purchasing insurance anyway? They ended up paying for their basic primary care out of pocket. Pitiful. Just imagine how awful it is for an indivdual who actually has an illness.
Health insurance reform is long overdue!! When my very healthy 24 y/o children were able to obtain insurance for $150/mo with an $1000 deductible AND riders on their knees (due to high school sports injuries), I knew that we had reached bottom. Why were they purchasing insurance anyway? They ended up paying for their basic primary care out of pocket. Pitiful. Just imagine how awful it is for an indivdual who actually has an illness.
By: BoltAction on 8/27/09
Health care may be expensive now but wait till the government gets a hold of it. Has nobody learned that the government can't run anything.
How is the government going to insure the uninsured without raising taxes as they claim they will?
Most are uninsured for one reason, why pay when you can get a free ride. Now they are going to want me to fork over more of my hard earned money to pay for someone else.
The government needs to stay out of our lives and the private industry. Government intervention does not work.
We can still save this country if we the people gain control. Stop expecting the government to fix all your problems.
Health care may be expensive now but wait till the government gets a hold of it. Has nobody learned that the government can't run anything.
How is the government going to insure the uninsured without raising taxes as they claim they will?
Most are uninsured for one reason, why pay when you can get a free ride. Now they are going to want me to fork over more of my hard earned money to pay for someone else.
The government needs to stay out of our lives and the private industry. Government intervention does not work.
We can still save this country if we the people gain control. Stop expecting the government to fix all your problems.
By: ebbabc on 8/27/09
BoltAction.
Very nicely said, you are right.
We were told years ago that the Post Office is no longer government run. I notice Obama is quite aware that the Government runs it though.
The easiest way to figure if they lied to us the first time saying it was now private is to ask a person working for the Post Office where does his paycheck come from. The answer is - it's a government check.
Now the concensus (I think) is that if they form a co-op or public option it will be citizen owned. Another fairy tale I believe, ask them who will pay the employees, I'll bet it will be a government check!
BoltAction.
Very nicely said, you are right.
We were told years ago that the Post Office is no longer government run. I notice Obama is quite aware that the Government runs it though.
The easiest way to figure if they lied to us the first time saying it was now private is to ask a person working for the Post Office where does his paycheck come from. The answer is - it's a government check.
Now the concensus (I think) is that if they form a co-op or public option it will be citizen owned. Another fairy tale I believe, ask them who will pay the employees, I'll bet it will be a government check!
By: UnionLady1055 on 8/27/09
Let me get this straight.
Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
Let me get this straight.
Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
By: ebbabc on 8/28/09
Ha ha! Unionlady, Correct in every way, did you hear Conyers saying "We did not have time to read it nor enyone to explain it to us". This man is head of the Judicial Committee and a lawyer - and he needs someone to 'explain' it to him. I hope he spent his August holiday reading the darn thing - but I doubt it.
Ha ha! Unionlady, Correct in every way, did you hear Conyers saying "We did not have time to read it nor enyone to explain it to us". This man is head of the Judicial Committee and a lawyer - and he needs someone to 'explain' it to him. I hope he spent his August holiday reading the darn thing - but I doubt it.
By: ebbabc on 8/28/09
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WE ARE IN DEEP WATER WITH NOT MUCH OF A LIFEJACKET TO CLING TOO, GOD HELP US!
- oops I had not finished.
WE ARE IN DEEP WATER WITH NOT MUCH OF A LIFEJACKET TO CLING TOO, GOD HELP US!
By: ebbabc on 8/28/09
CLING TO - AS WELL! :-)
CLING TO - AS WELL! :-)
By: ebbabc on 8/28/09
RIGHT OUT OF THE HORSE'S MOUTH.
'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6105185/Fresh-embarrassment-for-David-Cameron-over-NHS.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6092658/Cruel-and-neglectful-care-of-one-million-NHS-patients-exposed.html
RIGHT OUT OF THE HORSE'S MOUTH.
'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6105185/Fresh-embarrassment-for-David-Cameron-over-NHS.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6092658/Cruel-and-neglectful-care-of-one-million-NHS-patients-exposed.html
By: life_is_short on 8/28/09
The United State Post Office is owned by the government, and therefore, by the people of the United States. But it is an independent agency that is not in any way managed by the government. Tax dollars do not fund the postal service, only the revenue generated by the post office supports the post office.
And UnionLady, any idea how much money is generated by the tobacco industry that goes towards programs you probably take benefit from every day? This country has been trying to solve our health care issues for a long time. The problem will become even bigger as baby-boomers continue to age. You guys can bitch and moan all you want, but at least we are finally talking seriously about reform. And if anyone on these forums has a better solution, how about offering it up instead of constantly criticizing those who are trying to address the situation.
The United State Post Office is owned by the government, and therefore, by the people of the United States. But it is an independent agency that is not in any way managed by the government. Tax dollars do not fund the postal service, only the revenue generated by the post office supports the post office.
And UnionLady, any idea how much money is generated by the tobacco industry that goes towards programs you probably take benefit from every day? This country has been trying to solve our health care issues for a long time. The problem will become even bigger as baby-boomers continue to age. You guys can bitch and moan all you want, but at least we are finally talking seriously about reform. And if anyone on these forums has a better solution, how about offering it up instead of constantly criticizing those who are trying to address the situation.
By: efaulk1122 on 8/28/09
I find it funny that "life" has the same arguement that most liberals have yet he has this comment under an article that is full of other options for reform. The problem with these answers is that they aren't part of a big gov't solution. It seems our curret administration can't fathom not having there hand in something this big. It's all about the control with Pelosi and her fan club.
I find it funny that "life" has the same arguement that most liberals have yet he has this comment under an article that is full of other options for reform. The problem with these answers is that they aren't part of a big gov't solution. It seems our curret administration can't fathom not having there hand in something this big. It's all about the control with Pelosi and her fan club.
By: ebbabc on 8/28/09
Life.
In order to work for the Post Office one sits a civil service exam,(that is government).
They are paid by a government check.
They are unionized,
They always had the lowest Health insurance deal in the country.
When they run a deficit every year the government (us) has to bail them out.
The independent agency deal is a sham, another bold faced lie just exactly like the peoples option health care will be.
They sponsor the Olympic Games and that does not cost peanuts.
The Post Office gave a very large amount of money ($40,000?) to the guy who won the LeMans France, cycling race each time he participated, several years in a row.
They run ads on Cable TV.
They are the only postal service we have - why do they need to advertise?
They send Postal Staff on high end jaunts to tropical paradises for vacations.
To top it all off they are going to raise the rate of postage every May henceforth, according to reliable postal sources, apparently to pay for their vacations abroad on our backs.
The Post Office job is the best kept secret in the USA - and that also was related to me by one of them.
We swallowed the rhetoric along with the cool-aid like most of the citizens of the USA has done.
Life.
In order to work for the Post Office one sits a civil service exam,(that is government).
They are paid by a government check.
They are unionized,
They always had the lowest Health insurance deal in the country.
When they run a deficit every year the government (us) has to bail them out.
The independent agency deal is a sham, another bold faced lie just exactly like the peoples option health care will be.
They sponsor the Olympic Games and that does not cost peanuts.
The Post Office gave a very large amount of money ($40,000?) to the guy who won the LeMans France, cycling race each time he participated, several years in a row.
They run ads on Cable TV.
They are the only postal service we have - why do they need to advertise?
They send Postal Staff on high end jaunts to tropical paradises for vacations.
To top it all off they are going to raise the rate of postage every May henceforth, according to reliable postal sources, apparently to pay for their vacations abroad on our backs.
The Post Office job is the best kept secret in the USA - and that also was related to me by one of them.
We swallowed the rhetoric along with the cool-aid like most of the citizens of the USA has done.
By: life_is_short on 8/28/09
I am aware of all the facts you've listed. But that does not negate the fact that no government money is pumped into the Postal Service. All of the expenses are paid via the revenue collected from postal business. Now, if that has recently changed, I am unaware. But if you know it has, please let me know where information supporting this can be located.
At the end of all of these conversations - this is my real problem. Where is the supporting documentation for all that is being said for and against health care reform?
I am aware of all the facts you've listed. But that does not negate the fact that no government money is pumped into the Postal Service. All of the expenses are paid via the revenue collected from postal business. Now, if that has recently changed, I am unaware. But if you know it has, please let me know where information supporting this can be located.
At the end of all of these conversations - this is my real problem. Where is the supporting documentation for all that is being said for and against health care reform?
By: Dave42 on 8/29/09
Liberal "Healtcare" reform is not a new idea at all. It started a long time ago. FDR tried to push it, so did Truman, as well as LBJ, and he got Medicare/Medicaid going. Even Jimmy Carter thought about it, and we all know how Hillarycare turned out. Why do we want Obamacare when it is the same old Liberal/Socialistic Government takeover of the healtcare industry. And by the way Life, my daughter is the Post Master of our little post office here where my wife and I live, and her check most certainly IS a goverment check. We are not bitching and moaning about those supposedly doing somethng about the healthcare situation, we are telling them that we DO NOT want Socialized Rationed Government interference is our medical care and decisions. They have now upped the amount of money they are going to steal from Medicare to about $500 BILLION now. Reform the insurance industry and allow citizens to purchase insurance across state lines. This would create more competition and lower fees.
Liberal "Healtcare" reform is not a new idea at all. It started a long time ago. FDR tried to push it, so did Truman, as well as LBJ, and he got Medicare/Medicaid going. Even Jimmy Carter thought about it, and we all know how Hillarycare turned out. Why do we want Obamacare when it is the same old Liberal/Socialistic Government takeover of the healtcare industry. And by the way Life, my daughter is the Post Master of our little post office here where my wife and I live, and her check most certainly IS a goverment check. We are not bitching and moaning about those supposedly doing somethng about the healthcare situation, we are telling them that we DO NOT want Socialized Rationed Government interference is our medical care and decisions. They have now upped the amount of money they are going to steal from Medicare to about $500 BILLION now. Reform the insurance industry and allow citizens to purchase insurance across state lines. This would create more competition and lower fees.
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