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By: Fitzcomm on 7/8/09
Thank you, Roger, for being a voice of reason in the midst of all this nonsense.
Thank you, Roger, for being a voice of reason in the midst of all this nonsense.
By: ahhhdude on 7/8/09
with the so called leadership we have in this town. Its no suprise that the criminals feel free to run all over town shooting up the place.Reminds me of France.
with the so called leadership we have in this town. Its no suprise that the criminals feel free to run all over town shooting up the place.Reminds me of France.
By: canalou on 7/8/09
NRA member, take your guns to France. They're not welcome in our public parks where children and seniors recreate. We're not interested in helping promote gun sales for the NRA that's a front for the GOP.
NRA member, take your guns to France. They're not welcome in our public parks where children and seniors recreate. We're not interested in helping promote gun sales for the NRA that's a front for the GOP.
By: emw247 on 7/8/09
Only thugs and gang members will still carry guns in parks. Boy I feel soooo much safer now.
Only thugs and gang members will still carry guns in parks. Boy I feel soooo much safer now.
By: mhm2a on 7/8/09
If our council members will not allow law abiding citizens to exercise their second ammendment rights in our cities parks then they will not earn our vote in the next election. If they want to ban them from certain events, whether they be athletic or otherwise then please do. I think that is a compromise and will work.
I think that they will ban them and then hopefully the state will re-write the legislation to opt out of giving the cities the choice. It creates a terribly confusing map of not here but here legalities for law abiding carry permit holders. I frankly can not believe it has made it this far and was not squashed by our state government.
If our council members will not allow law abiding citizens to exercise their second ammendment rights in our cities parks then they will not earn our vote in the next election. If they want to ban them from certain events, whether they be athletic or otherwise then please do. I think that is a compromise and will work.
I think that they will ban them and then hopefully the state will re-write the legislation to opt out of giving the cities the choice. It creates a terribly confusing map of not here but here legalities for law abiding carry permit holders. I frankly can not believe it has made it this far and was not squashed by our state government.
By: bornhere on 7/8/09
Does anyone know, I mean REALLY know what the law (Local, State, and Federal)is concerning the "legal" permitted carrying of guns and what is allowed and not allowed. I don't care about the opinions, (whether or not I agree with them), I just would like to know what the law is.I think all too often people express how they feel about things and assume they are in line with the law and find themselves not in compliance and having to back up..........or worst, intensifying the situtions needlessly..........a little more thought is needed.............
Does anyone know, I mean REALLY know what the law (Local, State, and Federal)is concerning the "legal" permitted carrying of guns and what is allowed and not allowed. I don't care about the opinions, (whether or not I agree with them), I just would like to know what the law is.I think all too often people express how they feel about things and assume they are in line with the law and find themselves not in compliance and having to back up..........or worst, intensifying the situtions needlessly..........a little more thought is needed.............
By: barrettbear on 7/8/09
Having guns in public parks where children and seniors are. That is not an excuse to not allow an individual with a permit to carry a firearm. The very ones that are concerned for children and their safety, obviously lack trust in children. We have to send school resource officers to schools and safety and security are the primary reasons. The safety and security in our stores, neighborhoods, banks, national monuments, state parks, museums, planes are not as safe or we would not have to place a person in a position with a firearm there to begin with. Certainly, some of the people we have entrusted with a badge and firearm, are being decommissioned because society has been betrayed by their actions. The second amendment entitles a person the right to bear arms. For the local, state and federal law to intefere is an infringement on the second amendment. Under the second amendment, that does not entitle a person that bears arms to protect any other individual. To protect with bearing an arm is solely left to the ones who are sworn to uphold the laws in a manner to protect and serve the public. In this classification would refer to military, police, not an individual that has a permit to carry a firearm.
Having guns in public parks where children and seniors are. That is not an excuse to not allow an individual with a permit to carry a firearm. The very ones that are concerned for children and their safety, obviously lack trust in children. We have to send school resource officers to schools and safety and security are the primary reasons. The safety and security in our stores, neighborhoods, banks, national monuments, state parks, museums, planes are not as safe or we would not have to place a person in a position with a firearm there to begin with. Certainly, some of the people we have entrusted with a badge and firearm, are being decommissioned because society has been betrayed by their actions. The second amendment entitles a person the right to bear arms. For the local, state and federal law to intefere is an infringement on the second amendment. Under the second amendment, that does not entitle a person that bears arms to protect any other individual. To protect with bearing an arm is solely left to the ones who are sworn to uphold the laws in a manner to protect and serve the public. In this classification would refer to military, police, not an individual that has a permit to carry a firearm.
By: attagirl on 7/8/09
There have been so many shootings in murfreesboro this year that it barely makes headlines anymore. In this town you are apt to be shot anytime, anywhere. I avoid the greenway because of all the potential hiding places for predators. Nowhere in this town is safe.
There have been so many shootings in murfreesboro this year that it barely makes headlines anymore. In this town you are apt to be shot anytime, anywhere. I avoid the greenway because of all the potential hiding places for predators. Nowhere in this town is safe.
By: Citizen on 7/8/09
Anyone who possesses an valid Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit is required to demonstrate that he/she understands when and where it is legal to carry a handgun as well as under what conditions it is legal to use lethal force.
Anyone who possesses an valid Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit is required to demonstrate that he/she understands when and where it is legal to carry a handgun as well as under what conditions it is legal to use lethal force.
By: redbird on 7/8/09
Not being able to legally carry in a hospital didn't keep the gang banger from shooting up the ER area.
Not being able to legally carry in a hospital didn't keep the gang banger from shooting up the ER area.
By: mw71314 on 7/8/09
Have you noticed how it does you no good to tell your Representatives how you want them to vote. They just seem to do what they want. Seems to me that they are supposed to represent us not themselves.
Have you noticed how it does you no good to tell your Representatives how you want them to vote. They just seem to do what they want. Seems to me that they are supposed to represent us not themselves.
By: Keith_H1 on 7/8/09
It absolutely amazes me just how ignorant liberals are to reality. Do you honestly think that because our beloved politicians declare parks "gun free" zones that it makes you safer??? Criminals LOVE those laws. They don't need a permit to carry because THEY'RE CRIMINALS!! They know that guys like me who have never been arrested for anything in their lives aren't going to risk going to jail over some b.s. law designed to make the cities "sheeple" feel all warm and fuzzy.
I have a carry permit and YES, bornhere, I know the law regarding carrying it. I also make sure I know the laws of the states I plan on carrying in. I'm going to Chicago this weekend. Illinois doesn't recognize Tennessee's permit, but allows TRANSPORT of the weapon in a vehicle as long as it is unloaded and kept separate from the ammunition and in a place that can't be reached from the drivers seat. BUT........the city of Chicago has an outright ban on handguns so, since I have nowhere to keep it, I'm leaving it here at home. Although Chicago has a crime rate that makes even Nashville look like a hippie love fest, hopefully I won't need it.
Now, what if I'm in a restaurant in Kentucky or Indiana along the way, where it IS legal for me to carry, when a guy who's just been dumped by his wife, who's a waitress in this restaurant, decides to come in and start shooting up the place? I'm a sitting duck and SO ARE YOU!!!
Bottom line.......WAKE UP and realize that there are ALWAYS going to be guns in this country and if they ban them it only means that the ratio of legal to illegal guns will tilt in favor of the illegal ones and criminals gain an even greater advantage.
The underlying motivation behind the guv'ment's enthusiasm for gun control has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with C..O..N..T..R..O..L!!!! They aren't so much worried about us overthrowing them as they were in our founding fathers' days since military weaponry has FAR outpaced civilian weapons. They want us to rely on them for protection. Tha's a form of control. If you can't defend yourself, you have to run to their open arms and that's what they want. If gun bans work, then why are the cities with total bans plagued with the highest violent crime rates? Don't argue, facts are facts. The only real reason is control of the people. Just like these entitlement programs, which is another arguement altogether. It's all designed to make as many of us as they can, and eventually ALL of us, dependant on the government for our every need.
So, you can keep your hope and change and HOPE for the best. I'll keep my guns and religion and try to help ENSURE the best because I have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to be armed and, since we all ultimatly live under that document REGARDLESS of our actual place of residence, that should trump ANY rediculous local law.
It absolutely amazes me just how ignorant liberals are to reality. Do you honestly think that because our beloved politicians declare parks "gun free" zones that it makes you safer??? Criminals LOVE those laws. They don't need a permit to carry because THEY'RE CRIMINALS!! They know that guys like me who have never been arrested for anything in their lives aren't going to risk going to jail over some b.s. law designed to make the cities "sheeple" feel all warm and fuzzy.
I have a carry permit and YES, bornhere, I know the law regarding carrying it. I also make sure I know the laws of the states I plan on carrying in. I'm going to Chicago this weekend. Illinois doesn't recognize Tennessee's permit, but allows TRANSPORT of the weapon in a vehicle as long as it is unloaded and kept separate from the ammunition and in a place that can't be reached from the drivers seat. BUT........the city of Chicago has an outright ban on handguns so, since I have nowhere to keep it, I'm leaving it here at home. Although Chicago has a crime rate that makes even Nashville look like a hippie love fest, hopefully I won't need it.
Now, what if I'm in a restaurant in Kentucky or Indiana along the way, where it IS legal for me to carry, when a guy who's just been dumped by his wife, who's a waitress in this restaurant, decides to come in and start shooting up the place? I'm a sitting duck and SO ARE YOU!!!
Bottom line.......WAKE UP and realize that there are ALWAYS going to be guns in this country and if they ban them it only means that the ratio of legal to illegal guns will tilt in favor of the illegal ones and criminals gain an even greater advantage.
The underlying motivation behind the guv'ment's enthusiasm for gun control has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with C..O..N..T..R..O..L!!!! They aren't so much worried about us overthrowing them as they were in our founding fathers' days since military weaponry has FAR outpaced civilian weapons. They want us to rely on them for protection. Tha's a form of control. If you can't defend yourself, you have to run to their open arms and that's what they want. If gun bans work, then why are the cities with total bans plagued with the highest violent crime rates? Don't argue, facts are facts. The only real reason is control of the people. Just like these entitlement programs, which is another arguement altogether. It's all designed to make as many of us as they can, and eventually ALL of us, dependant on the government for our every need.
So, you can keep your hope and change and HOPE for the best. I'll keep my guns and religion and try to help ENSURE the best because I have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to be armed and, since we all ultimatly live under that document REGARDLESS of our actual place of residence, that should trump ANY rediculous local law.
By: bennychaff on 7/8/09
Permit holders are law abiding citizens who know when using lethal force is appropriate. Those of you who think people are going to start getting shot over who had the picnic table first need to educate yourselves. People getting shot in this town are being shot by thugs, not permit holders.
Permit holders are not here to make arrests or backup police. The gun is for their protection. They choose whether or not to help someone else in need. And by doing so risk legal action. Everyone seems to only want police help so I guess I know what my decision would be. Make a call and be on my way.
You may not like guns or the fact that people carry them and that's fine. But stop infringing on my rights to protect myself and my family.
Permit holders are law abiding citizens who know when using lethal force is appropriate. Those of you who think people are going to start getting shot over who had the picnic table first need to educate yourselves. People getting shot in this town are being shot by thugs, not permit holders.
Permit holders are not here to make arrests or backup police. The gun is for their protection. They choose whether or not to help someone else in need. And by doing so risk legal action. Everyone seems to only want police help so I guess I know what my decision would be. Make a call and be on my way.
You may not like guns or the fact that people carry them and that's fine. But stop infringing on my rights to protect myself and my family.
By: TFS94GT on 7/9/09
Canalou- No offense, but you're an idiot. Try using logic next time you state another one of your asinine opinions.
Anywho...“Our parks are not a place where individuals need to feel threatened to the point where they feel the need to go armed,” Haly said.
Attagirl has already stated that she feels threatened using the greenway. Who is Haly to determine when someone should or shouldn't FEEL threatened. What an idiot. I suppose then by the same rhetoric the pepper spray that %99 of the women jogging on the green way carry should be outlawed because Haley thinks they shouldn't feel threatened?
Canalou- No offense, but you're an idiot. Try using logic next time you state another one of your asinine opinions.
Anywho...“Our parks are not a place where individuals need to feel threatened to the point where they feel the need to go armed,” Haly said.
Attagirl has already stated that she feels threatened using the greenway. Who is Haly to determine when someone should or shouldn't FEEL threatened. What an idiot. I suppose then by the same rhetoric the pepper spray that %99 of the women jogging on the green way carry should be outlawed because Haley thinks they shouldn't feel threatened?
By: Boo on 7/9/09
Keith H1 said it so well! Criminals love these laws because they are CRIMINALS!! Why should I and other law abiding citizens be left defenseless against these criminals? I could call the police, but it takes time for them to get to me. You think the criminal is going to wait around for them to show up? I'm going to on the ground with a bullit between my eyes, and the shooter is going to be long gone! Give us great training, make sure we know the rules, and let us protect ourselves. Take the advantage away from the thugs and watch the crime rate go down!
Keith H1 said it so well! Criminals love these laws because they are CRIMINALS!! Why should I and other law abiding citizens be left defenseless against these criminals? I could call the police, but it takes time for them to get to me. You think the criminal is going to wait around for them to show up? I'm going to on the ground with a bullit between my eyes, and the shooter is going to be long gone! Give us great training, make sure we know the rules, and let us protect ourselves. Take the advantage away from the thugs and watch the crime rate go down!
By: abide on 7/9/09
I know who will feel safer with all the gun laws,the CRIMINALS. They will know exactly where to go to work without the threat of a permit holder having a gun. When they pass the ban in parks and a permit holder gets robbed,shot,raped,etc. they should sue the city/county too no end for putting them at risk for creating a CRIMINAL WORK ZONE. The same should hold true for resterants that ban firearms, they should be held responsible for what the CRIMINALS may do.
I know who will feel safer with all the gun laws,the CRIMINALS. They will know exactly where to go to work without the threat of a permit holder having a gun. When they pass the ban in parks and a permit holder gets robbed,shot,raped,etc. they should sue the city/county too no end for putting them at risk for creating a CRIMINAL WORK ZONE. The same should hold true for resterants that ban firearms, they should be held responsible for what the CRIMINALS may do.
By: mck3491 on 7/9/09
Just because someone has a license to carry a gun DOES NOT mean that good judgment will be used and that accidents will not happen! What stupid logic! If the this were true, we would all be safe in cars.
Just because someone has a license to carry a gun DOES NOT mean that good judgment will be used and that accidents will not happen! What stupid logic! If the this were true, we would all be safe in cars.
By: Alaskadave on 7/9/09
Kieth H1...
When are you going to run for office! You are spot on with your argument, as for the libs...move to France where you belong!
Kieth H1...
When are you going to run for office! You are spot on with your argument, as for the libs...move to France where you belong!
By: jg13 on 7/9/09
Well said mck3491. Permits do not equal good judgment. I've said it in other posts, 1200 people in TN have lost their permits to criminal conviction since 2005. I just read over the requirements to carry a hand gun on the TN.gov website. It basically says if you have a pulse, 4 hrs. worth of training, have only received 2 DUIs, and have never been a mental patient, you can carry a gun. It's easier than getting a drivers license. Certainly wasn't hard for the 1200 people that have lost them in 3 1/2 years.
How many permit holders end up being the criminals everyone is so afraid of? How many people obtain their permits fraudulently? How many violent crimes actually happen yearly in our public parks and on the Greenway? It would be great to know the current stats instead of a few antidotes. Might even make me change my mind.
That said, Barrettbear, I can no longer ignore this. Here and in other posts you claim that we who appose guns in community parks worry for our children's safety because we lack trust in them. You are not helping your cause with idiotic statements like that. If I were a concealed weapons supporter, I would strip you of your permit (if you even have one) and beg you to stop talking. My son is 8 months old. I don't want people like you around him because in your effort to be a hero and shoot a "bad guy", you'll no doubt miss and accidentally kill the most important thing in my world. It's my job a father to keep him safe and it's not because I don't trust him. Even at 8 months, I trust him infinitely more than you. When we're at a crowded public park in the middle of the day, I'm more afraid of my son getting shot by you than I am of him getting shot by a criminal. You are the poster child for gun control. I'll protect him by not going to the shady park on the shady side of town at shady times, not by supporting a law that allows people such as yourself who lack the mental capacity to own a squirt gun carry a concealed weapon in public parks. Even if you are an exception in an otherwise largely capable, intelligent and responsible group of people. As far as guns go, it only takes one exception to do a world of damage.
To harsh?
Well said mck3491. Permits do not equal good judgment. I've said it in other posts, 1200 people in TN have lost their permits to criminal conviction since 2005. I just read over the requirements to carry a hand gun on the TN.gov website. It basically says if you have a pulse, 4 hrs. worth of training, have only received 2 DUIs, and have never been a mental patient, you can carry a gun. It's easier than getting a drivers license. Certainly wasn't hard for the 1200 people that have lost them in 3 1/2 years.
How many permit holders end up being the criminals everyone is so afraid of? How many people obtain their permits fraudulently? How many violent crimes actually happen yearly in our public parks and on the Greenway? It would be great to know the current stats instead of a few antidotes. Might even make me change my mind.
That said, Barrettbear, I can no longer ignore this. Here and in other posts you claim that we who appose guns in community parks worry for our children's safety because we lack trust in them. You are not helping your cause with idiotic statements like that. If I were a concealed weapons supporter, I would strip you of your permit (if you even have one) and beg you to stop talking. My son is 8 months old. I don't want people like you around him because in your effort to be a hero and shoot a "bad guy", you'll no doubt miss and accidentally kill the most important thing in my world. It's my job a father to keep him safe and it's not because I don't trust him. Even at 8 months, I trust him infinitely more than you. When we're at a crowded public park in the middle of the day, I'm more afraid of my son getting shot by you than I am of him getting shot by a criminal. You are the poster child for gun control. I'll protect him by not going to the shady park on the shady side of town at shady times, not by supporting a law that allows people such as yourself who lack the mental capacity to own a squirt gun carry a concealed weapon in public parks. Even if you are an exception in an otherwise largely capable, intelligent and responsible group of people. As far as guns go, it only takes one exception to do a world of damage.
To harsh?
By: robinson717 on 7/9/09
To jg13, can you share with me the citation to your statistic of "1200 people in TN have lost their permits to criminal conviction since 2005." That's an interesting number that I have not seen before.
To jg13, can you share with me the citation to your statistic of "1200 people in TN have lost their permits to criminal conviction since 2005." That's an interesting number that I have not seen before.
By: jg13 on 7/9/09
It's mentioned in an AP article. Reprinted here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31122117/
It's mentioned in an AP article. Reprinted here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31122117/
By: jg13 on 7/9/09
By the way Barrettbear, are you the same Barrett that just got elected to the NRA Board of Directors?
By the way Barrettbear, are you the same Barrett that just got elected to the NRA Board of Directors?
By: barrettbear on 7/9/09
Watch how you attack jg13. Check your rules.
Watch how you attack jg13. Check your rules.
By: zenu on 7/9/09
Columbine - 14 killed - No Gun Zone
Virginia Tech - 32 killed - No Gun zone
Binghamton, New York- 13 killed - No Gun Zone
Claxton park shooting - 1 killed- No Gun Zone
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92773&catid=2
and lets not forget to give credit to the pigs who can shoot wherever, and those martyrs who shoot back.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/24/atlanta.police/index.html#cnnSTCText
Let's make grandma's house a no gun zone? or ignore the stats and insist that laws only govern the law abiding.
Columbine - 14 killed - No Gun Zone
Virginia Tech - 32 killed - No Gun zone
Binghamton, New York- 13 killed - No Gun Zone
Claxton park shooting - 1 killed- No Gun Zone
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=92773&catid=2
and lets not forget to give credit to the pigs who can shoot wherever, and those martyrs who shoot back.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/24/atlanta.police/index.html#cnnSTCText
Let's make grandma's house a no gun zone? or ignore the stats and insist that laws only govern the law abiding.
By: TFS94GT on 7/9/09
mck3491- Since far more people use bad judgment in their vehicles everyday than HCP holders we should ban automobiles! Your analogy is one of the most ridiculous yet. Good judgment may not be a prerequisite for an HCP but generally the people who aren't responsible with them coincidentally aren't responsible enough or are too lazy to faithfully carry their gun on them to begin with.
JG13- Thats the second time you've posted that BS "statistic" from that liberally skewed article so lets go ahead and debunk it. First of all you stated that 1200 people have lost their permits due to criminal conviction when your article simply states that since 2005 1200 people have LOST their permits. What it clearly neglects to mention is that a felony conviction is not the only way to lose one and I'd be willing to wager the majority of those permits simply expired. Of course implying that they were all convicted of felony charges makes for a better story and furthers their agenda. How about you show us some news stories of these heinous crazed irresponsible permit holders committing just a few of those 1200 supposed felonies WITH their firearms? LMAO I won't hold my breath.
Secondly, if someone has no criminal record why should it be harder than getting a DL to practice their right to defend themselves that is granted by the Constitution?
And as I've said before (and you conveniently ignored) take a gander through the news headlines on this very page and its not hard to see that Murfreesboro isn't the same place it was 10 years ago. Don't worry you'll only be able to ignore it for so long.
Ultimately your opinion doesn't matter because as evidenced by the recent legislation and opinions here you're by far the minority.
mck3491- Since far more people use bad judgment in their vehicles everyday than HCP holders we should ban automobiles! Your analogy is one of the most ridiculous yet. Good judgment may not be a prerequisite for an HCP but generally the people who aren't responsible with them coincidentally aren't responsible enough or are too lazy to faithfully carry their gun on them to begin with.
JG13- Thats the second time you've posted that BS "statistic" from that liberally skewed article so lets go ahead and debunk it. First of all you stated that 1200 people have lost their permits due to criminal conviction when your article simply states that since 2005 1200 people have LOST their permits. What it clearly neglects to mention is that a felony conviction is not the only way to lose one and I'd be willing to wager the majority of those permits simply expired. Of course implying that they were all convicted of felony charges makes for a better story and furthers their agenda. How about you show us some news stories of these heinous crazed irresponsible permit holders committing just a few of those 1200 supposed felonies WITH their firearms? LMAO I won't hold my breath.
Secondly, if someone has no criminal record why should it be harder than getting a DL to practice their right to defend themselves that is granted by the Constitution?
And as I've said before (and you conveniently ignored) take a gander through the news headlines on this very page and its not hard to see that Murfreesboro isn't the same place it was 10 years ago. Don't worry you'll only be able to ignore it for so long.
Ultimately your opinion doesn't matter because as evidenced by the recent legislation and opinions here you're by far the minority.
By: Alaskadave on 7/10/09
JG13....You are an idiot.
JG13....You are an idiot.
By: zenu on 7/10/09
"I just read over the requirements to carry a hand gun on the TN.gov website. It basically says if you have a pulse, 4 hrs. worth of training, have only received 2 DUIs, and have never been a mental patient, you can carry a gun." jg13
That straw man argument neglects the fact that those "with a pulse" will at least be accountable and on public record, unlike a thug who obtains firearms on the black market. I would like to congratulate you on being literate, however you apparently never learned context.
"If I were a concealed weapons supporter, I would strip you of your permit (if you even have one) and beg you to stop talking." jg13
That sounds like a staunch supporter of the Bill of Rights and Constitution, but I gathered from your comments you never would admit to patriotism such as that.
"My son is 8 months old. I don't want people like you around him because in your effort to be a hero and shoot a "bad guy", you'll no doubt miss and accidentally kill the most important thing in my world." jg13
This is a great example of why you shouldn't be a citizen in the greatest nation in the world, which protects all the rights you use but would deny others.
"When we're at a crowded public park in the middle of the day, I'm more afraid of my son getting shot by you than I am of him getting shot by a criminal." jg13
Let's all pray for the son of a man who fears law abiding neighbors over criminals. Let us also pray that the child doesn't mature to imitate his father's ethics.
"How many permit holders end up being the criminals everyone is so afraid of? How many people obtain their permits fraudulently? How many violent crimes actually happen yearly in our public parks and on the Greenway? It would be great to know the current stats instead of a few antidotes." jg13
For today's homework, you're tasked to write an essay on why 'holier than thou' antidotes will not support data that one is not willing to research.
FYI, I don't have a carry permit, but I do believe in the first and second amendments.
"I just read over the requirements to carry a hand gun on the TN.gov website. It basically says if you have a pulse, 4 hrs. worth of training, have only received 2 DUIs, and have never been a mental patient, you can carry a gun." jg13
That straw man argument neglects the fact that those "with a pulse" will at least be accountable and on public record, unlike a thug who obtains firearms on the black market. I would like to congratulate you on being literate, however you apparently never learned context.
"If I were a concealed weapons supporter, I would strip you of your permit (if you even have one) and beg you to stop talking." jg13
That sounds like a staunch supporter of the Bill of Rights and Constitution, but I gathered from your comments you never would admit to patriotism such as that.
"My son is 8 months old. I don't want people like you around him because in your effort to be a hero and shoot a "bad guy", you'll no doubt miss and accidentally kill the most important thing in my world." jg13
This is a great example of why you shouldn't be a citizen in the greatest nation in the world, which protects all the rights you use but would deny others.
"When we're at a crowded public park in the middle of the day, I'm more afraid of my son getting shot by you than I am of him getting shot by a criminal." jg13
Let's all pray for the son of a man who fears law abiding neighbors over criminals. Let us also pray that the child doesn't mature to imitate his father's ethics.
"How many permit holders end up being the criminals everyone is so afraid of? How many people obtain their permits fraudulently? How many violent crimes actually happen yearly in our public parks and on the Greenway? It would be great to know the current stats instead of a few antidotes." jg13
For today's homework, you're tasked to write an essay on why 'holier than thou' antidotes will not support data that one is not willing to research.
FYI, I don't have a carry permit, but I do believe in the first and second amendments.
By: mhm2a on 7/10/09
jg13,
You are smart and well educated, but your point of view is flawed beyond belief. When is the last time a concealed carry permit holder has taken a shot at a bad guy, missed, and killed an innocent bystander in Rutherford County. Your son and family are much more likely to be affected by criminal behavior. I know you throw out numbers like a statistician so you should realize that the number of violent crimes in our city is vastly disproportionate to the number of concealed carry permit holders overshooting the bad guy. Ridiculous!
jg13,
You are smart and well educated, but your point of view is flawed beyond belief. When is the last time a concealed carry permit holder has taken a shot at a bad guy, missed, and killed an innocent bystander in Rutherford County. Your son and family are much more likely to be affected by criminal behavior. I know you throw out numbers like a statistician so you should realize that the number of violent crimes in our city is vastly disproportionate to the number of concealed carry permit holders overshooting the bad guy. Ridiculous!
By: jg13 on 7/10/09
Don't preach to me about Constitutional Rights. We gave those up with the Patriot Act. And as I've said before, I'm not opposed to ownership, I'm just opposed to carrying a concealed weapon in what has proven to be a perfectly safe park system in Murfreesboro. Not ignoring the headlines, just haven't seen any that show the park system as unsafe enough to necessitate an armed militia of unqualified reactionaries. And yes, if you're going to carry something that is solely designed to kill easily and instantly, it would be nice if it was a little tougher to get than a drivers license. Have you seen the drivers in Murfreesboro?
To that point, if I were in favor of concealed weapons, I too would want a tougher licensing policy. The tougher the requirements, the less likely some mouth breather will do something stupid to make the whole group look bad (like you know who). I'm 100% positive that 95% of concealed weapons owners are perfectly responsible, smart, and trustworthy people. Most of whom probably don't need to be told to keep the guns at home when the kids are playing in the park. If there were some actual barrier to entry, it'd be 100% and we would all -gun toter or not- be safer.
Don't preach to me about Constitutional Rights. We gave those up with the Patriot Act. And as I've said before, I'm not opposed to ownership, I'm just opposed to carrying a concealed weapon in what has proven to be a perfectly safe park system in Murfreesboro. Not ignoring the headlines, just haven't seen any that show the park system as unsafe enough to necessitate an armed militia of unqualified reactionaries. And yes, if you're going to carry something that is solely designed to kill easily and instantly, it would be nice if it was a little tougher to get than a drivers license. Have you seen the drivers in Murfreesboro?
To that point, if I were in favor of concealed weapons, I too would want a tougher licensing policy. The tougher the requirements, the less likely some mouth breather will do something stupid to make the whole group look bad (like you know who). I'm 100% positive that 95% of concealed weapons owners are perfectly responsible, smart, and trustworthy people. Most of whom probably don't need to be told to keep the guns at home when the kids are playing in the park. If there were some actual barrier to entry, it'd be 100% and we would all -gun toter or not- be safer.
By: jg13 on 7/10/09
mhm2a,
Valid point and I'll be the first to admit my hypothetical was overly dramatic. But the statics for violent crimes in Murfreesboro, while on the rise, are still relatively small and not within what I and many like me feel is a safe and well run park system.
Does anyone know the accidental shooting vs. homicide rate in Murfreesboro? May be a good number to bring to the debate.
mhm2a,
Valid point and I'll be the first to admit my hypothetical was overly dramatic. But the statics for violent crimes in Murfreesboro, while on the rise, are still relatively small and not within what I and many like me feel is a safe and well run park system.
Does anyone know the accidental shooting vs. homicide rate in Murfreesboro? May be a good number to bring to the debate.
By: Stingray on 7/12/09
No reason for a debate, it's everyone's 2nd amendment rights, the same rights as the free speech you practice here.
No reason for a debate, it's everyone's 2nd amendment rights, the same rights as the free speech you practice here.
By: barrettbear on 7/14/09
About trusting our children. A majority must be hesitant in trusting that our children will not take firearms to school. That is one reason why school resource officers are at school.
About trusting our children. A majority must be hesitant in trusting that our children will not take firearms to school. That is one reason why school resource officers are at school.
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