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By: devolver on 8/5/08
Imagine that, the "investigators" failed to find the bottle themselves.
So, why did he have a bottle of alcohol in his patrol car in the first place? And if he wasn't drinking it, why would he try to dispose of evidence (which is a felony, mind you) if he hadn't done anything wrong?
Imagine that, the "investigators" failed to find the bottle themselves.
So, why did he have a bottle of alcohol in his patrol car in the first place? And if he wasn't drinking it, why would he try to dispose of evidence (which is a felony, mind you) if he hadn't done anything wrong?
By: KJ on 8/5/08
I know this family, and am aware that this is devastating. The lack of alcohol in his system speaks to the fact that it was unrelated to the ,and he was not drinking on duty. My prayers and thoughts go out to both the Killings family, and those who lost their child. I am sure if anyone involved could go back and change this terrible tragedy, they would.
I know this family, and am aware that this is devastating. The lack of alcohol in his system speaks to the fact that it was unrelated to the ,and he was not drinking on duty. My prayers and thoughts go out to both the Killings family, and those who lost their child. I am sure if anyone involved could go back and change this terrible tragedy, they would.
By: MyVoice on 8/6/08
People we need to forget trying to place blame and better spend out time praying that God will be there for these families. Let him lead us through these hard times and trust in him for he is the only one who is faultless.
People we need to forget trying to place blame and better spend out time praying that God will be there for these families. Let him lead us through these hard times and trust in him for he is the only one who is faultless.
By: damyankee on 8/6/08
I have worked in various private sector professions for 33 years. At any one of these 3 jobs I would have been terminated immediately if found with alcohol in my possesion while on company time. No hearing, no investigation,terminated.
I have worked in various private sector professions for 33 years. At any one of these 3 jobs I would have been terminated immediately if found with alcohol in my possesion while on company time. No hearing, no investigation,terminated.
By: devolver on 8/6/08
damyankee, my thoughts exactly. That would be the end of the line, period.
And guys, let's try to remember that GOD doesn't make the laws that we live by in this country. And that if a wrong has been committed that resulted in the death of a child, then it is our duty as a society to figure out what happened and DO something about it. It's not about placing blame, its about justice.
We can't just leave everything up to "God". If thats how you want to live, then perhaps you're better off in some theocratic society like those Islamic regimes in the middle east.
damyankee, my thoughts exactly. That would be the end of the line, period.
And guys, let's try to remember that GOD doesn't make the laws that we live by in this country. And that if a wrong has been committed that resulted in the death of a child, then it is our duty as a society to figure out what happened and DO something about it. It's not about placing blame, its about justice.
We can't just leave everything up to "God". If thats how you want to live, then perhaps you're better off in some theocratic society like those Islamic regimes in the middle east.
By: LawDog on 8/6/08
In the end, I think we will find that this situation was just as the first reports stated, an accident where the girl ran out into the roadway in front of the oncoming vehicle. The battle has no bearing on the accident. This is probably just "witnesses" found by a law firm that seems to specialize in sueing government agencies for any reason.
Give me an hour and a little money and I can find 10 witnesses that saw the whole police department naked on the public square. Lets not judge to quickly or harshly until we know all the facts and the reliability of the witnesses and evidence.
In the end, I think we will find that this situation was just as the first reports stated, an accident where the girl ran out into the roadway in front of the oncoming vehicle. The battle has no bearing on the accident. This is probably just "witnesses" found by a law firm that seems to specialize in sueing government agencies for any reason.
Give me an hour and a little money and I can find 10 witnesses that saw the whole police department naked on the public square. Lets not judge to quickly or harshly until we know all the facts and the reliability of the witnesses and evidence.
By: justhefacts on 8/6/08
When posting opinions/replies to a news report, that is just what it is. Everyone knows this is a tragic incident and my thoughts are prayers have been with both families since this tragedy occurred. Now, moving on to this news report. There was absolutely NO reason for there to have been alcohol in a patrol vehicle and I can assure you that had this been a normal civilian I could not have taken my bottle home and had my attorney bring it back later. This whole story does not make any sense and it sounds like there is a lot of internal covering up going on that has been exposed and there should be some job openings come available very soon.
When posting opinions/replies to a news report, that is just what it is. Everyone knows this is a tragic incident and my thoughts are prayers have been with both families since this tragedy occurred. Now, moving on to this news report. There was absolutely NO reason for there to have been alcohol in a patrol vehicle and I can assure you that had this been a normal civilian I could not have taken my bottle home and had my attorney bring it back later. This whole story does not make any sense and it sounds like there is a lot of internal covering up going on that has been exposed and there should be some job openings come available very soon.
By: devolver on 8/6/08
LawDog, All I am saying is that, at the very least, we owe it to this little girl and her family to make sure, beyond a reasonable doubt, that no wrong was committed. Yes, there are some obsessively litigious individuals who are out there for a quick settlement/buck, however the incredibly tiny part of me that isn't completely cynical still believes in the system (just a tiny bit).
LawDog, All I am saying is that, at the very least, we owe it to this little girl and her family to make sure, beyond a reasonable doubt, that no wrong was committed. Yes, there are some obsessively litigious individuals who are out there for a quick settlement/buck, however the incredibly tiny part of me that isn't completely cynical still believes in the system (just a tiny bit).
By: justhefacts on 8/6/08
LawDog, What on earth would any officer of any rank have a bottle of alcohol in his patrol car for? Then, be able to leave the scene with it to turn it back over as eveidence later. Come on now, that does not make any sense and there is no reason for the alcohol to be in the car whether he was on duty or off duty.
LawDog, What on earth would any officer of any rank have a bottle of alcohol in his patrol car for? Then, be able to leave the scene with it to turn it back over as eveidence later. Come on now, that does not make any sense and there is no reason for the alcohol to be in the car whether he was on duty or off duty.
By: LawDog on 8/6/08
What I am saying is I am still not certain of this bottle being in the vehicle, if it was, that was wrong, but it still has nothing to do with this accident. There was no alcohol or drugs in Killings blood test.
What I am saying is I am still not certain of this bottle being in the vehicle, if it was, that was wrong, but it still has nothing to do with this accident. There was no alcohol or drugs in Killings blood test.
By: LawDog on 8/6/08
and JUSTTHEFACTS, the story states that the bottle came from the girl's family attorneys, not the officer's. Just getting the facts correct. I wonder how many people has had possession of this bottle and if a secure chain of evidence was established or did this bottle "found" by witnesses come from the officer's home trash can, or some misterious alein dropped it out of the sky...so justthefacts, there are too many questions unanswered to say the officer did wrong.
and JUSTTHEFACTS, the story states that the bottle came from the girl's family attorneys, not the officer's. Just getting the facts correct. I wonder how many people has had possession of this bottle and if a secure chain of evidence was established or did this bottle "found" by witnesses come from the officer's home trash can, or some misterious alein dropped it out of the sky...so justthefacts, there are too many questions unanswered to say the officer did wrong.
By: devolver on 8/6/08
Lawdog, still, there are too many questions unanswered to say the officer didn't do any wrong.
I know, innocent until proven guilty, but it think its still worth looking into.
And drugs or alcohol weren't (allegedly) found in his system. This wouldn't be the first time that a cop gets a pass...
Lawdog, still, there are too many questions unanswered to say the officer didn't do any wrong.
I know, innocent until proven guilty, but it think its still worth looking into.
And drugs or alcohol weren't (allegedly) found in his system. This wouldn't be the first time that a cop gets a pass...
By: justhefacts on 8/6/08
Agreed; however, I was basing my opinion on the fact they were aware of the bottle the night of the accident and they did not collect it then and left it at the scene.
"Evans reported the bottle came to the attention of FACT investigators the night of the crash, however, the bottle was not collected at the time of the initial investigation."
"Chief of Police Glenn Chrisman stated: “Our investigators erred in not collecting the bottle at the time of the initial investigation. The Murfreesboro Police Department regrets the error and has addressed this issue with the investigators involved.”
Agreed; however, I was basing my opinion on the fact they were aware of the bottle the night of the accident and they did not collect it then and left it at the scene.
"Evans reported the bottle came to the attention of FACT investigators the night of the crash, however, the bottle was not collected at the time of the initial investigation."
"Chief of Police Glenn Chrisman stated: “Our investigators erred in not collecting the bottle at the time of the initial investigation. The Murfreesboro Police Department regrets the error and has addressed this issue with the investigators involved.”
By: Baird on 8/6/08
This officer should be fired if the bottle was his - period. The legal system should determine if he should be charged with a crime. I hope all is done properly for the girls family, the officer's family and the good of the community.
This officer should be fired if the bottle was his - period. The legal system should determine if he should be charged with a crime. I hope all is done properly for the girls family, the officer's family and the good of the community.
By: MyVoice on 8/6/08
Yes we really must turn this over to God. He needs to give wisdom and courage to all those involved to make the right decisions. He must also help the families heal and for all of us to learn that we are all imperfect.
Yes we really must turn this over to God. He needs to give wisdom and courage to all those involved to make the right decisions. He must also help the families heal and for all of us to learn that we are all imperfect.
By: bota on 8/7/08
Kudos to the Post for having the good sense to stick with the facts and not promoting a "trial by press". By doing so, the paper remains a credible source of news for me.
Kudos to the Post for having the good sense to stick with the facts and not promoting a "trial by press". By doing so, the paper remains a credible source of news for me.
By: bota on 8/10/08
lawdog makes a good point about the chain of custody. If the bottle was opened it can be debated as to who opened it. The Defense can claim that although it was Killings bottle it was unopened when he tried to dispose of it and with the negative BAT test it becomes a violation of policy and not much more. The Defense can argue that Killings knew that it was a policy violation and tried to get rid of it. I worked on several civil cases where the chain of custody was compromised and as a result so was the plaintiff's case.
lawdog makes a good point about the chain of custody. If the bottle was opened it can be debated as to who opened it. The Defense can claim that although it was Killings bottle it was unopened when he tried to dispose of it and with the negative BAT test it becomes a violation of policy and not much more. The Defense can argue that Killings knew that it was a policy violation and tried to get rid of it. I worked on several civil cases where the chain of custody was compromised and as a result so was the plaintiff's case.
By: devolver on 8/11/08
Opened, unopened, why was it there in the first place, and why did he dispose of it...?
Opened, unopened, why was it there in the first place, and why did he dispose of it...?
By: GrumpaEd on 8/12/08
The pre-ponderance of the evidence", where have I heard that before, establishes the bottle was open. There is no reason to hide an unopened bottle, other than a slap on the wrist for not following departmental procedures.
The time element of almost three hours before blood was taken points to an attempt to cover up a crime.
Law Dog, in the past I have agreed with your conclusions/statement for the most part. Your current assessment is simply repeating the "party line." I notice you have been silent since the sixth. Is it because your comments are doing more harm than good and have been ordered to cease? Just asking.
The pre-ponderance of the evidence", where have I heard that before, establishes the bottle was open. There is no reason to hide an unopened bottle, other than a slap on the wrist for not following departmental procedures.
The time element of almost three hours before blood was taken points to an attempt to cover up a crime.
Law Dog, in the past I have agreed with your conclusions/statement for the most part. Your current assessment is simply repeating the "party line." I notice you have been silent since the sixth. Is it because your comments are doing more harm than good and have been ordered to cease? Just asking.
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