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By: thinkingman on 8/17/09
It must have been pre-ordaned if Mona Herring had anything to do with it and it didn't get away. How's the Bible Park planning coming along, Mona?
It must have been pre-ordaned if Mona Herring had anything to do with it and it didn't get away. How's the Bible Park planning coming along, Mona?
By: ItsGood on 8/17/09
thinkingman, you really need to start thinking as your hate is showing.
thinkingman, you really need to start thinking as your hate is showing.
By: prin on 8/17/09
Thanks to all of those people that were present at the presentation today. This is a great accomplishment with many different people and agencies were working together. I applaud each of you. Now we can get on with the business of highlighting our city and facilities.
Thanks to all of those people that were present at the presentation today. This is a great accomplishment with many different people and agencies were working together. I applaud each of you. Now we can get on with the business of highlighting our city and facilities.
By: Farmall on 8/18/09
I still can't believe we pay these people to come here. If anything they should be paying us. This is just so backwards.
I still can't believe we pay these people to come here. If anything they should be paying us. This is just so backwards.
By: kcouncil on 8/18/09
They do pay us. Did you read the part in the article where it says the even brings in $3.5 million in revenue. Wouldn't you give up $350k to get back $3.5 million?
They do pay us. Did you read the part in the article where it says the even brings in $3.5 million in revenue. Wouldn't you give up $350k to get back $3.5 million?
By: Farmall on 8/18/09
They pay the motels and restaurants, etc. They should be the ones putting up the cash not I.
They pay the motels and restaurants, etc. They should be the ones putting up the cash not I.
By: life_is_short on 8/18/09
Farmall - the motels and restaurants in turn pay taxes that mean revenue for our community. And why do you even think you are putting up the cash? Maybe you should research where the money actually comes from for programs like this.
Farmall - the motels and restaurants in turn pay taxes that mean revenue for our community. And why do you even think you are putting up the cash? Maybe you should research where the money actually comes from for programs like this.
By: Farmall on 8/18/09
According to the story I did put up the cash. My tax dollars at work thanks.
According to the story I did put up the cash. My tax dollars at work thanks.
By: ItsGood on 8/18/09
Farmall, do you watch the Olympics? If so, do you realize what cities / countries pay to host the championships?
The TSSAA Spring Fling is the same, yet on a smaller scale.
It makes Murfreesboro "big time".
Farmall, do you watch the Olympics? If so, do you realize what cities / countries pay to host the championships?
The TSSAA Spring Fling is the same, yet on a smaller scale.
It makes Murfreesboro "big time".
By: jg13 on 8/18/09
Farmall,
How dare they keep your taxes in check by investing wisely, getting a huge return, and shining a huge spotlight on the city. Who cares if they come to the tournament, spend a bunch of money, like it here, and come back to spend more money which will provide us with good schools, extra police, extra firefighters, a clean city, usable roads, beautiful parks and greenways, etc. etc. etc? How dare they use probably less than one of your tax dollars for something so overwhelmingly positive and constructive. Appalling! You should throw a tea bag at them.
Farmall,
How dare they keep your taxes in check by investing wisely, getting a huge return, and shining a huge spotlight on the city. Who cares if they come to the tournament, spend a bunch of money, like it here, and come back to spend more money which will provide us with good schools, extra police, extra firefighters, a clean city, usable roads, beautiful parks and greenways, etc. etc. etc? How dare they use probably less than one of your tax dollars for something so overwhelmingly positive and constructive. Appalling! You should throw a tea bag at them.
By: Farmall on 8/18/09
It is not the job of the city or county to invest in money making schemes. That is the job of the private sector. If the chamber of commerce wants to pony up the money to bribe them to come here, that is their right. My tax dollars should not be involved.
It is not the job of the city or county to invest in money making schemes. That is the job of the private sector. If the chamber of commerce wants to pony up the money to bribe them to come here, that is their right. My tax dollars should not be involved.
By: soon2b6 on 8/18/09
The private sector DID put up the money, $225,000 from the Chamber (who signed the actual contract) and another $50,000 pledged by hotels, restaurants, and other business.... it's clearly stated in the aricle. How has this discussion even gotten this far?
The private sector DID put up the money, $225,000 from the Chamber (who signed the actual contract) and another $50,000 pledged by hotels, restaurants, and other business.... it's clearly stated in the aricle. How has this discussion even gotten this far?
By: soon2b6 on 8/18/09
One more thing, there have been only 2 negative posts on this issue... can you even imagine the outcry that would have occured if we had lost Spring Fling? It would have been brutal.
One more thing, there have been only 2 negative posts on this issue... can you even imagine the outcry that would have occured if we had lost Spring Fling? It would have been brutal.
By: jg13 on 8/18/09
Farmall,
Are you serious or being sarcastic and/or ironic? Do you really not realize that cities use "incentives" to lure businesses as standard practice? Why do you think Verizon Wireless built a call center here, or the new LED facility is coming here? They did so because the city gave them tax incentives to do so. A little upfront investment (aka money making schemes) brings much needed jobs and money to the community.
I really hope I'm being punked. Although it would explain the mentality behind tea bag rallies.
Farmall,
Are you serious or being sarcastic and/or ironic? Do you really not realize that cities use "incentives" to lure businesses as standard practice? Why do you think Verizon Wireless built a call center here, or the new LED facility is coming here? They did so because the city gave them tax incentives to do so. A little upfront investment (aka money making schemes) brings much needed jobs and money to the community.
I really hope I'm being punked. Although it would explain the mentality behind tea bag rallies.
By: Felixstow on 8/18/09
How about some sensible questions being answered without any emotion.
I've heard for years about the "millions" that TSSAA brings into the city. But can someone list where this money is generated? Are we talking about tax collections, gross sales, net sales or what?
If you're talking about sales taxes then is that the total sales tax of 9.75% or the local option portion? How do we arrive at this $3.5 million in Tourism figure? And what does it cost to raise this figure? What about the money that the state and city has put into local and MTSU facilities? This was tax money and needs to counted against any revenue to derive a profit.
I am amazed that usually normal, sane business people who would demand a thorough cost analyis of a project this size can lose all common sense when it comes to sports or recreation. I'm not taking a side one way or another but how about looking at the true cost/return of this project before you start wetting all over yourself.
How about some sensible questions being answered without any emotion.
I've heard for years about the "millions" that TSSAA brings into the city. But can someone list where this money is generated? Are we talking about tax collections, gross sales, net sales or what?
If you're talking about sales taxes then is that the total sales tax of 9.75% or the local option portion? How do we arrive at this $3.5 million in Tourism figure? And what does it cost to raise this figure? What about the money that the state and city has put into local and MTSU facilities? This was tax money and needs to counted against any revenue to derive a profit.
I am amazed that usually normal, sane business people who would demand a thorough cost analyis of a project this size can lose all common sense when it comes to sports or recreation. I'm not taking a side one way or another but how about looking at the true cost/return of this project before you start wetting all over yourself.
By: soon2b6 on 8/18/09
Felixstow-
It is a simple tourism boon in a 5 day period. Tourists come in on Monday, dump 3.5 million in gross revenues in our lap, and go home on Friday night. Tax revenue is more than the local option because every hotel/motel room in the County is booked and there is an additional hotel/motel tax (that varies by municipality) that is tacked on to the 9.75%. What is immeasurable is all of the trickle-down revenue that is associated with the tourism dollars. Example: Chattanooga Red bank H.S. Tennis Team eats dinner at Demo's, leaves server a big tip. Server goes to Bink's and purchases that expensive backpack they have been eyeing. Owner of Bink's has a terrific month in May and goes ahead to Stones River Nissan and buys that $40,000 Nissan he has been eyeing. Nissan Plant sees increase in production, picks up man-hour pace. Salesman at Stones River Nissan gets great comission and buy's that starter home from Ole South Properties. Home salesperson treats his wife and kid's to dinner at Demo's, and on and on and on.
Felixstow, that is how sane (not emotional) business operates and Thank God we are livin' in the good ole USA and can experience this, for now anyway.
Felixstow-
It is a simple tourism boon in a 5 day period. Tourists come in on Monday, dump 3.5 million in gross revenues in our lap, and go home on Friday night. Tax revenue is more than the local option because every hotel/motel room in the County is booked and there is an additional hotel/motel tax (that varies by municipality) that is tacked on to the 9.75%. What is immeasurable is all of the trickle-down revenue that is associated with the tourism dollars. Example: Chattanooga Red bank H.S. Tennis Team eats dinner at Demo's, leaves server a big tip. Server goes to Bink's and purchases that expensive backpack they have been eyeing. Owner of Bink's has a terrific month in May and goes ahead to Stones River Nissan and buys that $40,000 Nissan he has been eyeing. Nissan Plant sees increase in production, picks up man-hour pace. Salesman at Stones River Nissan gets great comission and buy's that starter home from Ole South Properties. Home salesperson treats his wife and kid's to dinner at Demo's, and on and on and on.
Felixstow, that is how sane (not emotional) business operates and Thank God we are livin' in the good ole USA and can experience this, for now anyway.
By: Macgyver on 8/18/09
I for one am happy they have used my tax money to make a decent rate of return. I just wish they would pay down some debt and can anyone answer why we need a 5.1 million dollar visitor center? What the hell are you going to visit, we already have the hidious blue signs to help you get lost.
I for one am happy they have used my tax money to make a decent rate of return. I just wish they would pay down some debt and can anyone answer why we need a 5.1 million dollar visitor center? What the hell are you going to visit, we already have the hidious blue signs to help you get lost.
By: ItsGood on 8/19/09
Mac, so you do not believe in getting a return on investment?
Mac, so you do not believe in getting a return on investment?
By: vdanr on 8/19/09
Either Farmall was being ridiculously sarcastic or he/she was drunk while making those comments.
Soon2b6, that is a very good way of putting it. I am also happy they have used my tax money for this event. Not just for the rate of return, but also because my children participate.
Either Farmall was being ridiculously sarcastic or he/she was drunk while making those comments.
Soon2b6, that is a very good way of putting it. I am also happy they have used my tax money for this event. Not just for the rate of return, but also because my children participate.
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