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By: republicaninboro on 10/4/09
So are the children still in the filthy abusive home? If so where are the scumbag adults locking this little angel up now that the home made pen is gone, a closet for hours? I hope the children have been relocated, if someone reported animal abuse to the authorities the animals would have been removed immediately.
So are the children still in the filthy abusive home? If so where are the scumbag adults locking this little angel up now that the home made pen is gone, a closet for hours? I hope the children have been relocated, if someone reported animal abuse to the authorities the animals would have been removed immediately.
By: mm123 on 10/4/09
This is disgusting. Animal abusers don't get their animals back and many times are ordered by the court to never own animals again. Parents like these usually get their children back, and then another incident will happen. I love animals, but what kind of society gives them more rights than innocent children?
This is disgusting. Animal abusers don't get their animals back and many times are ordered by the court to never own animals again. Parents like these usually get their children back, and then another incident will happen. I love animals, but what kind of society gives them more rights than innocent children?
By: Geana on 10/4/09
Sounds to me that the caseworker "took" the children and the parents later had to meet at the DCS office. I doubt very much they released the children. There were at least three conditions showing deliberate neglect. Playpen, pill bottle, education issues.
The dirty carpet, clothes on floor, multiple cats are not necessarily neglect to the children and all immediately correctable. Not a pretty picture, but seen in many homes.
I am trying to imagine how the father became the primary caretaker of his child or why he never sought outside help for the child. Sad.
Sounds to me that the caseworker "took" the children and the parents later had to meet at the DCS office. I doubt very much they released the children. There were at least three conditions showing deliberate neglect. Playpen, pill bottle, education issues.
The dirty carpet, clothes on floor, multiple cats are not necessarily neglect to the children and all immediately correctable. Not a pretty picture, but seen in many homes.
I am trying to imagine how the father became the primary caretaker of his child or why he never sought outside help for the child. Sad.
By: attagirl on 10/4/09
It's not DCS' goal to take kids and never give them back. The goal is to fix whatever problems are going on so the kids can be reunited with their families.
It's not DCS' goal to take kids and never give them back. The goal is to fix whatever problems are going on so the kids can be reunited with their families.
By: attagirl on 10/4/09
Geana, fathers are primary caretakers all the time. It's not unusual.
Geana, fathers are primary caretakers all the time. It's not unusual.
By: republicaninboro on 10/4/09
attagirl, reuniting children with their families is usually an act of cruelty in itself brought on by the judicial system. If you were a child who had an adult get upset with you and lock you in a home made cage would you ever want to be placed in that home again? We now know that there are major issues in this residence, we are the children's only hope. The acts of abuse and neglect to these children will not be fixed-we all know that. When cases like these are in the media I always bring up the fact that there are so many wonderful people right here in M'Boro who want to have children and would adopt these wonderful gifts from God but the system we follow says children are always better off with their real family. Individuals like these aren't going to all of the sudden say to themselves "oh my, we've been caught we need to start being better parents". Instead they will find another way to abuse these children, until they get caught again. Horrific acts of cruelty and abuse happen all over our community, many will never be exposed outside of the walls they happen in. These two children have hope now, as long as they are removed forever from the environment they have been living in. As I stated in this mornings comment, an animal has more rights than an innocent child--sad society.
attagirl, reuniting children with their families is usually an act of cruelty in itself brought on by the judicial system. If you were a child who had an adult get upset with you and lock you in a home made cage would you ever want to be placed in that home again? We now know that there are major issues in this residence, we are the children's only hope. The acts of abuse and neglect to these children will not be fixed-we all know that. When cases like these are in the media I always bring up the fact that there are so many wonderful people right here in M'Boro who want to have children and would adopt these wonderful gifts from God but the system we follow says children are always better off with their real family. Individuals like these aren't going to all of the sudden say to themselves "oh my, we've been caught we need to start being better parents". Instead they will find another way to abuse these children, until they get caught again. Horrific acts of cruelty and abuse happen all over our community, many will never be exposed outside of the walls they happen in. These two children have hope now, as long as they are removed forever from the environment they have been living in. As I stated in this mornings comment, an animal has more rights than an innocent child--sad society.
By: attagirl on 10/4/09
"...the system we follow says children are always better off with their real family."
Of course that's what our system says! It's called the constitution, or haven't you ever heard of it?
The government can't just step in and take people's kids without going through a rigorous process. Parental rights are some of the strongest rights we have. Believe me, if after trial this parent is found to have committed severe abuse against these kids, then the state will file a petition to terminate the parental rights. That's how it works.
If, however, the parent "works the plan," then yes it will be possible to get their kids back.
Btw, there are NOT "so many" wonderful people in Murfreesboro who want to adopt these kids. The "wonderful people" you speak of only want to adopt newborn white babies, not these kids.
"...the system we follow says children are always better off with their real family."
Of course that's what our system says! It's called the constitution, or haven't you ever heard of it?
The government can't just step in and take people's kids without going through a rigorous process. Parental rights are some of the strongest rights we have. Believe me, if after trial this parent is found to have committed severe abuse against these kids, then the state will file a petition to terminate the parental rights. That's how it works.
If, however, the parent "works the plan," then yes it will be possible to get their kids back.
Btw, there are NOT "so many" wonderful people in Murfreesboro who want to adopt these kids. The "wonderful people" you speak of only want to adopt newborn white babies, not these kids.
By: republicaninboro on 10/4/09
attagirl, why do you wish to insult? "It's called the constitution, or haven't you ever heard of it?"... I notice you always like to use a lot of capital letters in your comments-so annoying. Also, I don't need you to tell me how "it" works. My cousin is an adoption agent and yes many people do want to adopt young children (not sure why you named a certain race, I have four very close friends who have adopted outside of their race). These children are victims and they will most likely fall through the entire system and be right back in harms way, you now that. These people locked a child in a cage, that kind of behavior can not be rehabilitated. I'm still not sure why you wanted to pick a fight over this sad story.
attagirl, why do you wish to insult? "It's called the constitution, or haven't you ever heard of it?"... I notice you always like to use a lot of capital letters in your comments-so annoying. Also, I don't need you to tell me how "it" works. My cousin is an adoption agent and yes many people do want to adopt young children (not sure why you named a certain race, I have four very close friends who have adopted outside of their race). These children are victims and they will most likely fall through the entire system and be right back in harms way, you now that. These people locked a child in a cage, that kind of behavior can not be rehabilitated. I'm still not sure why you wanted to pick a fight over this sad story.
By: republicaninboro on 10/4/09
I meant to type--you know that.
I meant to type--you know that.
By: attagirl on 10/5/09
I come back with snippy comments when people say things like what you said (as if our system is bad for having a reunification goal).
I work in the juvenile justice system all day every day. I know which kids are out there. Did your 4 friends adopt abused American kids, or did they adopt orphans from another country? More foreign kids get adopted than abused and/or neglected American kids.
Adoptive parents want healthy babies, not abused 10-year-olds.
I come back with snippy comments when people say things like what you said (as if our system is bad for having a reunification goal).
I work in the juvenile justice system all day every day. I know which kids are out there. Did your 4 friends adopt abused American kids, or did they adopt orphans from another country? More foreign kids get adopted than abused and/or neglected American kids.
Adoptive parents want healthy babies, not abused 10-year-olds.
By: Boo on 10/5/09
The five year old "appeared small for his age, with a limited vocabulary." Does anyone wonder why? Could it be from years of being locked in a cage and neglected? Will limited funds, limited personel, limited space, or the constitution keep this child's condition from being investigated? When it comes to constitutional rights, the children always seem to get the short end. Why is that?
The five year old "appeared small for his age, with a limited vocabulary." Does anyone wonder why? Could it be from years of being locked in a cage and neglected? Will limited funds, limited personel, limited space, or the constitution keep this child's condition from being investigated? When it comes to constitutional rights, the children always seem to get the short end. Why is that?
By: momof3 on 10/5/09
attagirl - It's 10/5, Monday. You say you work in the juvenile justice system all day every day. Then you need to BE working instead of wasting the taxpayer's money arguing in your typical holier-than-thou self-appointed expert style. Aren't you "on the clock"? You're bringing issues into this argument that shouldn't even be discussed at this point. The article is about the mis-treatment of these innocent children and I think it is appalling that they would be found in these conditions and still left with the parents. I would also like to know why they weren't removed from the parents. And while you've brought it up - there are plenty of people who would love to adopt children, older or of other races, but there is so much redtape to go through, many don't even try. Sadly, it is easier and quicker to adopt a child from another country. Now, get back to your job. No wonder the court system is so backed up when their employees sit on the internet spouting off their self-professed "wisdom".
attagirl - It's 10/5, Monday. You say you work in the juvenile justice system all day every day. Then you need to BE working instead of wasting the taxpayer's money arguing in your typical holier-than-thou self-appointed expert style. Aren't you "on the clock"? You're bringing issues into this argument that shouldn't even be discussed at this point. The article is about the mis-treatment of these innocent children and I think it is appalling that they would be found in these conditions and still left with the parents. I would also like to know why they weren't removed from the parents. And while you've brought it up - there are plenty of people who would love to adopt children, older or of other races, but there is so much redtape to go through, many don't even try. Sadly, it is easier and quicker to adopt a child from another country. Now, get back to your job. No wonder the court system is so backed up when their employees sit on the internet spouting off their self-professed "wisdom".
By: truthandjustice1 on 10/5/09
Take a break momof3... government employees get breaks too. So, I in turn guess if parents spent more time watching their kids and not blowin smoke on blogs then the juvenile court systems would not be so backed up, right?????
Take a break momof3... government employees get breaks too. So, I in turn guess if parents spent more time watching their kids and not blowin smoke on blogs then the juvenile court systems would not be so backed up, right?????
By: momof3 on 10/5/09
The courts are going to have juveniles in them regardless of what type of parenting the child receives. I have worked with the criminal justice system in the past and I have worked with parents and children. To answer your question, truthandjustice1, if the parent ignores the child to play on the computer or engage in other activities, the child will find something constructive or destructive, to occupy their time. If the parent replies to blogs on their own time and when the children are being taken care of, that in and of itself doesn't affect the court system at all. However, there are many, many good parents in M'boro who have done everything in their power to be a good parent, raised their child in church, participated in the child's activities and put their children first and the child still grows up and manages to get themselves in trouble. The parent can't be blamed all the time.
The courts are going to have juveniles in them regardless of what type of parenting the child receives. I have worked with the criminal justice system in the past and I have worked with parents and children. To answer your question, truthandjustice1, if the parent ignores the child to play on the computer or engage in other activities, the child will find something constructive or destructive, to occupy their time. If the parent replies to blogs on their own time and when the children are being taken care of, that in and of itself doesn't affect the court system at all. However, there are many, many good parents in M'boro who have done everything in their power to be a good parent, raised their child in church, participated in the child's activities and put their children first and the child still grows up and manages to get themselves in trouble. The parent can't be blamed all the time.
By: Geana on 10/5/09
attagirl, I am aware that many fathers have primary custody. I have nothing against fathers with custody.
When I said I wondered, the 5 yr old's mother could be deceased, have abandoned the family, be incarcerated... any number of circumstances. Not all fathers get custody because they want it. This doesn't sound like a father who truly wanted his child as in the best interest of his own child.
This child is obviously handicapped. Why didn't they get him help or even turn him over as ward of the state if they couldn't do it anymore.
attagirl, I am aware that many fathers have primary custody. I have nothing against fathers with custody.
When I said I wondered, the 5 yr old's mother could be deceased, have abandoned the family, be incarcerated... any number of circumstances. Not all fathers get custody because they want it. This doesn't sound like a father who truly wanted his child as in the best interest of his own child.
This child is obviously handicapped. Why didn't they get him help or even turn him over as ward of the state if they couldn't do it anymore.
By: attagirl on 10/5/09
You're right, Geana, this doesn't sound like a father who truly wanted his child.
momof3, why are you assuming I work for the government? You really shouldn't make assumptions about people and things you know nothing about. FYI, I am self-employed, so I'm on no one's clock but my own.
I will hold my "self-professed wisdom" about the juvenile court system against yours any day. I am in the trenches, actually in the courtrooms and the DCS meeting rooms and the children's homes. A lot of it I do for free. And I believe I make a difference in the cases I'm involved with.
Not only do you know nothing about juvenile law or DCS, you also clearly know nothing about adoption. You really should look into that problem you have about making assumptions.
You're right, Geana, this doesn't sound like a father who truly wanted his child.
momof3, why are you assuming I work for the government? You really shouldn't make assumptions about people and things you know nothing about. FYI, I am self-employed, so I'm on no one's clock but my own.
I will hold my "self-professed wisdom" about the juvenile court system against yours any day. I am in the trenches, actually in the courtrooms and the DCS meeting rooms and the children's homes. A lot of it I do for free. And I believe I make a difference in the cases I'm involved with.
Not only do you know nothing about juvenile law or DCS, you also clearly know nothing about adoption. You really should look into that problem you have about making assumptions.
By: Boo on 10/6/09
I wonder, if this child is handicapped, if the family gets money from gov. for him. This could be why they didn't turn him over to the state. They would rather keep him in a cage than lose the money.
I wonder, if this child is handicapped, if the family gets money from gov. for him. This could be why they didn't turn him over to the state. They would rather keep him in a cage than lose the money.
By: spanky on 10/6/09
Right is right and wrong is wrong. Sometimes!!. I have no faith that the government will handle this in the right way. How many times have we read where the children are released back to the parents and then a case worker is assigned to then.
You know who I mean. The same case workers that have 3,ooo other families in their charge and may get to see them once every year or two.
Of course to get around the system all they have to do is move to the next state over and it all dissapears.
Out of sight - out of mind - case closed...
Right is right and wrong is wrong. Sometimes!!. I have no faith that the government will handle this in the right way. How many times have we read where the children are released back to the parents and then a case worker is assigned to then.
You know who I mean. The same case workers that have 3,ooo other families in their charge and may get to see them once every year or two.
Of course to get around the system all they have to do is move to the next state over and it all dissapears.
Out of sight - out of mind - case closed...
By: attagirl on 10/6/09
No parent has the option to "turn their child over to the state." No provision in the law allows a parent to just throw in the towel and voluntarily relinguish parenthood (except in adoptions).
No parent has the option to "turn their child over to the state." No provision in the law allows a parent to just throw in the towel and voluntarily relinguish parenthood (except in adoptions).
By: attagirl on 10/6/09
spanky, there is no such thing as a kid in foster care who only gets seen "once every year or two." The rules that are currently in place are quite strict on time limits. And no worker has 3,000 cases.
spanky, there is no such thing as a kid in foster care who only gets seen "once every year or two." The rules that are currently in place are quite strict on time limits. And no worker has 3,000 cases.
By: caregirl on 10/9/09
I am outraged !!
Shame Shame Shame on who posted the bond !
These so called parents deserve to be confined in a way they don't like and in filth !!
Shame on anyone who does not step up and protect these boys from
these sick parents. How many family members or so called friends looked the other way? Shame.
I am outraged !!
Shame Shame Shame on who posted the bond !
These so called parents deserve to be confined in a way they don't like and in filth !!
Shame on anyone who does not step up and protect these boys from
these sick parents. How many family members or so called friends looked the other way? Shame.
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